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01-06-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Well except that Bledsoe is under contract for 3 years and plays the position Denver needs to upgrade the most.
Denver has two cracks at PG, and both are insanely young. I think giving up on either to try and get better now is a mistake. And it really isn't crippling them to have bad PGs as they've actually been a top 3 offense with Jokic in the starting lineup.

The problem is they've literally been a bottom 1 OAT (not kidding) defense in said time frame. Some of the latter is variance and the bad play that follows from a young team, but either way I don't think Bledsoe fixes any of that.
01-06-2017 , 03:25 PM
@Heels/Victor, I think Korver is precisely the type of player who's lack of 1on1 defense isn't an issue in a theoretical rematch. GSW doesn't have any real speedsters and KK has generally been a good team defender. He's going to be left on islands with Steph or whatever, but I don't think that's much of an issue.

IMO it's a major piece added in trying to beat the Woyas.
01-06-2017 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
so his defense sucks?
he's worse on both ends. he's still a great shooter, but he was good in large part b/c he was an absolutely ridiculous shooter. still a good get b/c he's a rotation player. they'll have deeper wing platoon for when they go small

edit: i'm not evaluating this from a matchup perspective. korver has declined considerably within the last couple seasons

Last edited by tarheeljks; 01-06-2017 at 03:44 PM.
01-06-2017 , 03:53 PM


good work there kev
01-06-2017 , 03:55 PM
Don't see this as a big title equity shift at all, we're probably talking about +1% max

Well it could be good in terms of depth if one of the wings like JR/Shump are hurt then at least theres a viable option that isn't as big of a downgrade like Dunleavy would be.

Offensively, 38% 3p shooter over his playoff career so I guess, it helps spacing but spacing was already there pretty much, it's not going to change any of the cavs scheme except that some of the shumpert/jefferson/JR smith becomes 40% shots instead of 35% so yeah very slight gain in offensive efficiency i suppose.

Defensively (which is where I feel Cavs are likely to lose the series because there are so many lineups for which the Cavs have almost no response especially when 2nd units are playing), it doesn't change much at all so still a big concern.

Something interesting I just looked up : Korver is 47% from the corner 3 (which is where he'll be standing a lot i suppose) over reg season, 36% during the playoffs
01-06-2017 , 04:02 PM
This move is also about improving their regular season depth though don't forget. Much rather be getting minutes from Korver than Liggins or Dunleavy. Without JR, Kyrie and Love the last game they looked a little threadbare to tell you the truth.
01-06-2017 , 04:10 PM
Worth noting that KK's shots have been much tougher the last couple years. Remember when ThayThay and I said JR Smith's percentages would go up to elite levels once he played with Bron? KK imo is no different.

It's Bron's thing at this point.
01-06-2017 , 04:10 PM
Hearing pick for korver is 2019 top 10 protected with option to move to 2020 instead.

Also Cavs want a PG. Wonder if they can get Barbosa from the Suns for super cheap
01-06-2017 , 04:10 PM
imagine a lineup of irving, korver, bron, love and frye lolol.
01-06-2017 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
Don't see this as a big title equity shift at all, we're probably talking about +1% max

Well it could be good in terms of depth if one of the wings like JR/Shump are hurt then at least theres a viable option that isn't as big of a downgrade like Dunleavy would be.

Offensively, 38% 3p shooter over his playoff career so I guess, it helps spacing but spacing was already there pretty much, it's not going to change any of the cavs scheme except that some of the shumpert/jefferson/JR smith becomes 40% shots instead of 35% so yeah very slight gain in offensive efficiency i suppose.

Defensively (which is where I feel Cavs are likely to lose the series because there are so many lineups for which the Cavs have almost no response especially when 2nd units are playing), it doesn't change much at all so still a big concern.

Something interesting I just looked up : Korver is 47% from the corner 3 (which is where he'll be standing a lot i suppose) over reg season, 36% during the playoffs
lol dude is gonna shoot like 45% from 3 and be open all the time. just lol. i mean lol.
01-06-2017 , 04:18 PM
I'd take the over on 45% possibly. Watching him work for shots the last couple years has been painful.
01-06-2017 , 04:26 PM
Looks like Denver might be getting Millsap. If it's only the MEM 2017 1st, Faried, and Malik Beasley I'm all for it... anything more and I think it's an overpay.

I guess it would be good for my wallet at least
01-06-2017 , 04:26 PM
Get at me with the amount you'd like to bet on O45% in the playoffs guys
01-06-2017 , 04:31 PM
lol at in the playoffs, as if that's even what we talked about.
01-06-2017 , 04:31 PM
Korver gets to just relax in the corner on offense instead of going nuts off screens

That energy put towards defense will be nice


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01-06-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cinarocket
Don't see this as a big title equity shift at all, we're probably talking about +1% max
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Originally Posted by Victor
dude is gonna shoot like 45% from 3 and be open all the time
agree with both
01-06-2017 , 04:44 PM
Doesn't matter what he shoots in the regular season. He can shoot 60% in reg season, that's not adding any equity to cleveland.

I make a point about how I think it only helps Cleveland marginally from a playoff/championship perspective and I get told i'm wrong and that he's going to shooter over 45%, don't be surprised i propose to put money on it
01-06-2017 , 04:49 PM
If he shoots 45 in the regular it absolutely matters in the postseason. Teams are going to have to defend Cleveland much differently when he's on the floor, and he creates another wrinkle on a team full of wrinkles. I think it ups their equity by somewhere in the 5% range, and with SAS/Houston in the West puts them as the favorites to title.
01-06-2017 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Looks like Denver might be getting Millsap. If it's only the MEM 2017 1st, Faried, and Malik Beasley I'm all for it... anything more and I think it's an overpay.

I guess it would be good for my wallet at least
Problem with teams trading for Millsap is its likely just a rental.

I'd love for this to happen so Nuggets can take the 8 seed just to lolkangs
01-06-2017 , 05:06 PM
Jokic update... DEC/JAN, which encompasses most of his games as a starter again.

24.3 pts / 68%TS / 41% 3PTs / 6.8 Assists / 2.7TO / 137 Ortg

It says a lot when you can have a top 3ish offense with Mudiay as your PG.

edit - forgot 13.4 Rbs :O

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01-06-2017 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Christophersen
Problem with teams trading for Millsap is its likely just a rental.

I'd love for this to happen so Nuggets can take the 8 seed just to lolkangs
Considering the best case scenario might be 5/140, I'm not sure losing him is that big of a deal. Then again Denver has money to burn over the next 2 years so it kind of makes sense. It will be painful at the end, though.
01-06-2017 , 05:33 PM
I'm with Cinarocket. Dude is ancient, rocked a single digit PER last season and wasn't even starting anymore. He's gunna have to guard Klay? Iggy I guess against the death lineup. He's not an upgrade on JR, just handy depth. Barely moves needle. Obv still a positive trade though and every little bit counts.
01-06-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
If he shoots 45 in the regular it absolutely matters in the postseason. Teams are going to have to defend Cleveland much differently when he's on the floor, and he creates another wrinkle on a team full of wrinkles. I think it ups their equity by somewhere in the 5% range, and with SAS/Houston in the West puts them as the favorites to title.
it's not like the cavs were missing shooters, teams know they can't leave JR open and they try not to, they just can't cover everything.
01-06-2017 , 05:47 PM
IIRC Smiff was actually a better 3 pt shooter on contested shots than open shots last year

SMIFFFF
01-06-2017 , 05:49 PM
Bron is so good he realized that and waited for the rotation before getting him the ball.

LEBRON GOAT

      
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