NBA Season Thread 2014-15 - Page 141 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

LeBron is Cleveland's Kobe: way over the hill but will attract butts to seats as his team galumphs obesely through the regular season.

Cavs could do without Kevin Tolerate otoh.

11-23-2014 , 03:28 AM

#3502

JAAASH

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

BROW might someday be walking through our door tho

Let's also not forget that Lebron is going to opt out

Maybe Kevin Love will walk through your door

Lol come on...Lebron isn't going to leave Clevekand again. If he opts out it will just be for the attention of another "decision."

11-23-2014 , 03:34 AM

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THAY3R

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He's not going to leave Cleveland again because he probably killed himself tonight

11-23-2014 , 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by john voight

didnt bird suck at D, and have awesome teammates throughout? kind of like Klove w/o the teammates. Like a tall unathletic white guy, who sucked at D, could shoot and pass, grabbed rebounds b/c he played down low, and was massively overrated b/c he was a white guy who didn't suck ass?

looking at his stats now, he didn't even shoot threes. most he made was 90. obv 3s weren't as big as they are now. My question is, wtf would he do against AD. pull ups and fadeaways Kobe style? What would he do on defense to stop AD?

If he played today implementing his old style, he would rip every tendon in his body. So if he played today he would just be a tall Korvereque chuker, who is goofy and sucks at D. Kinda like Dirk circa now.

Easy AD>Bird. Though a Bird led team will win more games than AD.

The Kyle Korver is a later-day Larry Bird theme is silliness.

Regarding threes - it's disingenuous to claim that Bird didn't shoot threes. From his rookie season (79-80) through 86-87, he was 5th, 7th, 4th, 1st, 1st and 4th in made threes.

Regarding his impact on the game - during his career he was 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd and 7th yearly and 8th overall for his career in Wins Over Replacement Player.

From 81-82 through 86-87 he was 8th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd and 2nd in PER.

He was surrounded by great players for the bulk of his prime; however, it's worth noting that in his rookie season Boston went from 29 wins in 78-79 to a league leading 61 in 79-80 with a roster that included post prime Nate Archibald, post prime Dave Cowens and (in the second half of the season) way past prime Pete Maravich along with a pre-prime Cedric Maxwell. Both Cowens and Maravich retired prior to the start of the next season.

Bird did not "suck" at the defensive end. He was not an elite face up defender and Kevin McHale or Maxwell almost always accepted the role of matching up against the other team's best forward. Bird was, however, a high IQ far above average team defender who rotated well and was among the league's best rebounding forwards - especially at the defensive end.

From his rookie year through 85-86, Bird was a yearly 8th, 4th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 10th and 7th in total rebounds.

Larry Bird could flat-out play and is, without legitimate argument against it, on the list of the greatest players ever.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../birdla01.html

Bird

Check out the reactions of the Hawks bench during the last two minutes of the video.

Last edited by sailorsaint; 11-23-2014 at 04:08 AM. Reason: removed error regarding arc distance....

11-23-2014 , 03:54 AM

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dem shorts

11-23-2014 , 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sailorsaint

Regarding threes - it's disingenuous to claim that Bird didn't shoot threes. From his rookie season (79-80) through 86-87, he was 5th, 7th, 4th, 1st, 1st and 4th in made threes - all while shooting from an arc that was extended by about a foot further out than today's three point line.

The three-point line is at the same distance now as it was in the 80s. While it was moved forward in 1994, it was moved back to the original distance in 1997.

11-23-2014 , 04:04 AM

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Saint man, I don't think that extended 3 youre talking about is correct. It's been the same the whole time except for a 3 year stint in the mid 90s (wanna say 94-96).

11-23-2014 , 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy517

The three-point line is at the same distance now as it was in the 80s. While it was moved forward in 1994, it was moved back to the original distance in 1997.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidcolin

Saint man, I don't think that extended 3 youre talking about is correct. It's been the same the whole time except for a 3 year stint in the mid 90s (wanna say 94-96).

Been wrong before, gonna be wrong again later... thanks.

It is three a.m. and mistakes occur when playing Bovada while providing feedback to student work in Google Docs with a bad Dirty Harry flick on in the background and researching Bird all pretty much at the same time.

Edited out the error.

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11-23-2014 , 04:39 AM

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Tragic has looked pretty bad this year, wtf happened

11-23-2014 , 04:42 AM

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Meanwhile, Brandon Wright with another B-RIGHT game. 14pts on 7 shots, 11reb, 3 blks, in 22 minutes. ho-hum.

also, don't think Jabba's gonna win ROY.

WIGGS

11-23-2014 , 04:55 AM

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i hear you saint. i'm drunk and finished watching valhalla rising and now trying to make sense of it all. wgaf about 3 pts.

11-23-2014 , 04:56 AM

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Pretty sure Wiggs has it locked up from here.

Also, very real chance that Nik Stauskas stinks

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11-23-2014 , 07:31 AM

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Wiggins scoring 29

The Wig Ticket

11-23-2014 , 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HeyItsMeMikey

Tragic has looked pretty bad this year, wtf happened

He looked good against Boston, but he was being guarded by Rajon Rondo - so that can't count.

**** Rondo.

11-23-2014 , 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

i hear you saint. i'm drunk and finished watching valhalla rising and now trying to make sense of it all. wgaf about 3 pts.

Valhalla Rising, life or both?

Last edited by sailorsaint; 11-23-2014 at 08:02 AM. Reason: **** Rondo....

11-23-2014 , 08:41 AM

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My rebuttal of lolbird is that he is hilariously slow and would snap his knee ligaments in 39 pieces trying to keep up with 1. BROW on any action

like i might be able to buy him as a borderline top 90ish player, but there is zero argument beyond lolnostalgia to ever take him over the literal GOAT

11-23-2014 , 08:41 AM

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Thought too hard and long about why Colin went from thinking about Ed Norton to thinking about Brad Pitt to thinking about Valhalla Rising. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

11-23-2014 , 09:06 AM

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I think 1. Brow broke bref. They're not even acknowledging last night's game.

11-23-2014 , 10:08 AM

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What is Lebron's endgame here? His comments after every loss are getting weirder and weirder. "It could get a lot worse".... What kind of leader says this stuff?

Lebron has never been a leader, dude is a beta. Always has been and always will.

11-23-2014 , 10:38 AM

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yeah brow's going to get a nice bump from his currently pedestrian 34 PER

11-23-2014 , 10:48 AM

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43 points/0 assists, that's some major league ball hogging. Even KEBO himself has only done that twice in his career.

11-23-2014 , 11:16 AM

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Tragic has looked pretty bad this year, wtf happened

his shooting %s are just slightly down, and he's handling the ball way less. He looks fine to me. He started off a little slow last season too.

11-23-2014 , 11:49 AM

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free Brandan Wright

11-23-2014 , 11:53 AM

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43 points/0 assists, that's some major league ball hogging. Even KEBO himself has only done that twice in his career.

he scores in the post mostly when hes working a lane to the basket, and he only had 23 FGA, not like hes taking a ridiculous amount of shats to get 43 points. plus, would you pass to anybody on his team?