There's no fault and it has nothing to do with logic it's just a fact. Brandon Ingram who is a pretty bad 19 yo rookie would literally run circles around fat Magic Johnson.

It's not logic, it's just observing how much better athletes and training you have 20 years later. I mean look at those tapes, half the guys in the 80s dribble with the ball coming up halfway up their chests and only have one hand. Their shots have slower releases. They're on average way less built. They're slower and move awkwardly.

Basically every human endeavor has advanced by a huge degree in the past 20 years, why would sports be any different? It's not like there's physical cap on basketball skill, in 20 years guys could be canning half court shots at 50% or something.

So Magic Johnson isn't one of the All Time greats then?

That's an aids take

He is because you measure players in relation to his peers. If you put his fat slow ass in a time machine and brought him here hed be unplayable in a modern lineup .

That's why the time machine take is stupid, it has an avg/below avg player wiping the floor with one of the All Time greats.

Because the avg/below avg player plays basketball better than he did. Just like Akani Simbine (dude noone's ever heard of who came 5th at Rio in the 100m) is provably a better sprinter than Jesse Owens was. Call it "stupid" all you want, it's still true.

want GSW to win, they play team ball, team offense, after they pass the ball they usually move. unlike 90% of the league

Saw a YouTube not worth linking about Tim Duncan being snubbed of a quadruple double in Game 6 of the 2003 Finals. Officially he had 21 points 20 rebounds 10 assists and 8 blocks. But there were two instances where he possibly should have been credited for a block. One was a scoop shot he knocked away which could be viewed as just a deflection. The other is tough to tell whether it was Duncan or Robinson who actually blocked the shot.

Along with his quadruple double he held Kenyon Martin to 3/23 from the field.

This game clinched the series and might be the greatest Finals game ever yet I've never heard of it until today.

https://youtu.be/nejQMtkyLgY

5:38 and 5:58 for the questionable blocks.

Do you mean greatest single game performance because no way in hell that's the greatest finals game ever?

IIRC Kenyon's jumper was broken, he missed like 10-12 midrange J's.

Terrible series tho, prob the nadir of the NBA in a lot of ways.

Think Spurs fans would agree that was the weakest of the title teams, like the '01 Pats.

I remember watching that game and being 100% sure he had at least 9 blocks.

Yeah, that Spurs team wasn't good. Their 4th quarters of clinching games were absurd tho! Duncan single-handedly carried them to the title like no other player in his generation.

but theres a massive difference between 1936 and 1980.

magic does fine in this era. theres enough recent overlap to show this.

you dont think the cavs do this? really, they play practically the same offense. spread the floor with shooters. drive with irving or lebron and either layup or kick to the shooters and rotate.

he's faster, but can still argue he's not a better sprinter than Owens. you need to consider environment; Simbine benefited from all sorts of things like better training techniques, nutrition, coaching, etc that Owens didn't have access to. you need to control for environment which is why comparing to peers is the only way to really do it.

if you consider the time machine scenario, and transport a 1 day old Jesse Owens to 1995 where he is raised by some middle class family near a major city he probably ends up faster than Simbine. I doubt on a pure 'nature' basis our DNA has changed that much over the last century, but environment has.

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