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Rose was that great during MVP run. He ruined his body dragging a bunch of garbage to the top seed every year. Would have made the finals at least once if not for injuries.

Now he's awful, but so is Deron so worth the gamble I guess. At least you could argue Rose will get healthy and be good again.

Rose was def great in 2011, but that team was far from garbage. Deng & Noah were at their best, Korver obv a solid role player, and they had a top tier coach. They were built perfectly around him- a bunch of great defenders who didn't need the ball on O so Rose could carry a huge USG- but they won because of their defense (1st in DRTG, 11th in ORTG). Rose obv had no business winning MVP, but everybody knows that.

Deng was never very good. Noah had his moments but was always a bit of a fraud with his awful O. Year he finished 4th in MVP was a total joke. So wanted to sell high at that point.

2011-12 team was the #1 seed and Rose got hurt right at the end of game 1 vs 76ers (win). Bulls then lost 4 of 5 to an 8 seed. This team was a one man show and it was obvious for years. Easily deserved MVP.

ya we men

if love doesn't get a max when he leaves it'll be b/c he will be 31 at the beginning of the 2020-2021 season, not b/c he has "hurt his value." he would obv get maxed if he could sign a brand new deal on the open market tomorrow. you're kidding yourself thinking otherwise


it's also funny to highlight the need for personal pride and say how love should want to demonstrate his value as center piece when that is what is about to break the cavs up (setting aside whether one thinks losing kyrie will doom the cavs). if you want to win titles and are not like a top 5 player you will have to take a reduced role

edit: i wouldn't fault a player for wanting to see how far they could take a team as the main act; however it's extra lol to suggest love has no pride b/c he is willing to play a supplementary role on the cavs



also rose sucks but i suppose he has more chance of going off in particular game b/c he will shoot more but will be more damaging the rest of the time as a result. he's also likely to be a mess in a lineup with lebron where he is off ball a lot

agree, love getting max if he hits market right now ainec

Seriously this.

Get that chock milk bros.

Some of y'all moving the goalposts. Love getting the max at 29 is different than 31 or whatever.

How about how that chocolate milk looks like a giant, condom-sheathed cock?

Boston.

if youre talking bout deng recently/right now then youre right but i dont know what you were watchin back then. deng put up 15+ppg shot 45% from the floor got you 6+ boards a night and played solid d, overall was very very consistent. hes another guy that thibs grinded up

Dont think rose gets them over the hump but basically everytime he has played the warriors the last few years he has played great against curry and company and has lit up klay thompson who is obv a very good defender. Maybe seeing steph motivates him im not sure but he singlehandedly led the bulls to a OT win in GS in the warriors first championship season in which GS was basically unbeatable at home, butler also didnt play that game. He had 28 against them in MSG the lone time he faced them this year

Cant see the cavs doing any type of deal with boston atleast while lebron is still there

Tristan thompson contract is horrendous, no way boston takes that on with how much the team gave up

Also, they would need irving to commit to stay for longer than his contract to consider it

What do you think average starting centers in the NBA get? He's also pretty damn good at his role and now has multiple finals experience and one ring. Like I kinda see where you're coming from but in today's NBA his contract is the norm especially for a 26 year old.

I think average center value is between 12-15m

The average for a center ****ing a Kardashian is half that number

Thompson's contract was fine for the Cavs obviously given how things worked out, and look at how many horrendous contracts are out there for useless centers too. Noah, Mozgov, Plumlee, Mahinmi, Chandler, Bismack, etc. prob forgetting a bunch too.

To imply he's a 6m a year player is lol

I don't think I pick TT over Mozgov, Mahinmi, Bismack

Those contracts were mostly horrible because TT contract was signed a year before all those players went FA

TT is the patient Zero in this AIDS contracts epidemy

guys come on, boston obviously isnt trading half their starting lineup for barely an upgrade at PG and a borderline starter, has nothing to do with TT's contract being obviously terrible.

Those contracts were signed because of the cap explosion.

The Cavs do not win an NBA title in 2016 subbing those guys for him, and even considering that an immobile Mozgov (or any of those guys tbh, he's just the most egregious) is > TT is supremely lol

Edit: agree with the post above me re: that trade, simply commenting on TT's contract value to the Cavs

Wow is that a bad post.

You can prefer BB as a rim defender but beyond that, lol with the other two.

It's not that Deng and Noah were bad, just that they weren't close to a 2 and 3 guy on a good team. Virtually every top team has 2 20+ppg scores. 15 and 6 from Deng was very meh.

Rose had no help and it's too bad the FO didn't strike while the iron was hot. Blew a great opportunity.

That being said, Rose has always been a mental midget and that's why his game hasn't come back. His health is likely fine.

Offensively they were weak but both were very elite defenders at the time. Boozer/Korver were good offensive players. As you mentioned, they didn't have enough star power to beat Miami at the time. Not sure what they could have easily done to rectify that issue though.