Kyrie's season >>>>>>>>> Tmacs

obviously. sorting by PER and saying that makes u look dumb

I'd say:

1. Heat
2. Thunder
3-5 in some order: Bulls, Clippers, Wolves

Nuggets are built great to win a playoff series or two, but you're still a huge dog to win a title without a superstar, and Lakers are pretty much going to have to blow up their team before then. Bynum's the only real asset that has value that far out, and we're not even sure if he's gonna re-sign.

i was more looking at everything, especially TS%.

Lakers I figure b/c they always find a way to swindle and half a non zero chance to get Dwight and re-set their fortunes for a while.

i'd prob put "whatever team dwight ends up on" in the top 5

OK, I did put a minute qualifier on my search, but I guess it wasn't stringent enough. Take him out, and the only 4 that are close are LeBron, Kobe, Melo, and Dwight, and Kyrie's rookie season blows them all out of the water.

my one problem with this whole kyrie vs cp3 debate is that it seems to boil down to cp3 = known quantity and kyrie = unknown, ergo edge goes to cp

but kyrie isn't *that* unknown, like he just had a sample size of 51 games where he started and averaged 30.5 mpg. if he played at precisely the same level for his entire 20's, he's still an easy 1st round pick, except he did it at age 19 and is a heavy fave to get lots better.

forgetting possible increased susceptibility to injuries for a moment, what do we exactly anticipate as prime kyrie's range? for starters he can shave quite a bit off his TOV% and likely will given his handles + smarts and the fact that young PG's often improve quite a bit on this. and his usg/TS are similar to that of durant's sophomore year, which is really sort of ridic- is anybody surprised if he becomes like a 33ish usage 60ish TS kinda player? also you figure his assist rate prob has a few upticks in it, he's really on pace to become an ungodly weapon.

so what are the odds that he rekes up the joint and doesn't really get better (or gets worse?)
what are the odds that he becomes a 30+ PER monster?
what are the odds that his 26-28 seasons are more valuable than cp's past season + next 2?

if rwb is being brought up i think rose should be too. i mean they're the same age and rose is better. it's only the recent injury that has everyone cold on him

i'd probably take kyrie. i have faith in his skills, he's obviously an incredible ballhandler, elite shooter and while his d is ultralol now i don't see why he can't bring it up to a standard. i think cp3 is unlikely to be a very positive defender the rest of his career, iyam his knee injuries have slowed him down somewhat

think it's fairly close though, kyrie's injury problems are a concern

except it's a injury that takes a long time to recover, right while he's coming into his prime, and knee injuries are not good for athleticism-- which rose relies on pretty heavily at this point in his career

Great post. Also on the whole known/unknown thing, don't forget that Chris Paul's floor is also lower than Kyrie's as Kyrie's pretty much guaranteed to be a productive starter for the next decade plus, and Chris Paul could easily Brandon Roy his way out of the league in 3 years.

i mean we're just splitting hairs at this point but 80% of a lockout shortened rookie season where he probably didn't play a single meaningful game and everyone thrashed the cavs still leaves a lot to be desired for me, especially after he missed 3/4 of his only college season

Chris Paul

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Without addressing this fully, Kyrie also did this on a lotto team in a season with the least scouting/prep time literally in modern NBA history. CP3 has demonstrated the ability to be the best player on the floor in a competitive playoff series. This matters. If Kyrie puts up anything resembling last year this year over 72ish games and the cavs don't embarrass themselves in the playoffs, I think Kyrie becomes a legit contender, but I feel like Kyrie at 5 is too early (and then I remember how old or Kevin Love everyone else on my list would be, so Kyrie is almost my #5 by default...)