points scored is obviously a lot less valuable with Bron/Kyrie on the team. unless wiggins were to have elite D, elite rebounding or really elite scoring, he's not worth that much to the Cavs. Love is at least an elite rebounder especially offensively; he's been an elite scorer and his D is above average although most people think he sucks on D. he's also a bulk 3 point shooter.

Wiggins isn't replacement level. VORP, -2 is a Replacement level; Wiggins was -.6 this year. His PER is already ~15, TS% 54% and he plays a TON of minutes (most in the league); he's clearly not elite and not on a path to becoming elite but replacement level is something he isn't.

Love > wiggs 2018

-1.6 RPM and -2.7 BPM this past year. Not sure where you get -0.6 from. PER is by far the worst advanced stat and Wiggins is the precise mold of player that it overrates (one dimensional volume scorer).

I used and wrote vorp, you used bpm. http://www.basketball-reference.com/...wiggian01.html Under vorp in advanced stats he's -0.6 which is his worst year. Vorp sets -2 to be replacement.

Per overrated people who stat whore in any major category, not just scoring. Also it's not that bad of a stat it was great when it was developed actually

None of these stats mean anything without context dean and capone

As Steven A Smith would say "YOUR SO DISRESPECTFUL" or whatever that line is. Replacement level my ass. The dude can score off anyone whenever he wants. Replacement level players can't do that. Replacement level players don't have 5 40+ point games in one season and knowing him he probably did it on cruise control could have scored 50+ each one. Like i said he has been a disappointment so far as far as living up to his potential/hype but the talent is there.

All the stats he is bad at he can easily improve because he has the athletisicm and talent to do it. You can't teach talent/ability you either have it or you don't. I personally think the fact he's been on a losing team and no top player to challenge him/get in his face makes him stay on cruise control. Where if he was on a say cavs team where he originally was supposed to go where he would be competing for championships every year that he would progress faster. Lebron would have challenged him to give max effort both sides of the ball on 24/7 basis. Where Love can't change being a weak defender because he too slow. He can't blow around people to create his own shot whenever he wants like Wiggins because he not explosive or fast. He can't jump over everyone like Wiggins. Love is a solid nba offensive player but never has the potential to be a jordan/kobe type takeover player where wiggins does. Wiggins may never get there but he has the ability where Love, Smart or almost nobody in this draft would ever have a shot at.

I agree. Together they basically show he's a wing scorer, who plays a ton of minutes and doesn't do much well. I just don't think he's replacement level but based on how much he plays at average efficiency he might be a slightly below average NBA starter.

I wanna fight with you so bad but all articles written on Wiggins point back to stuff you wrote lol.

I think Wiggins can take a more alpha turn that will really change how he plays and what he gets out of his athleticism. Thibs and age might help with that. Idk his chances of actually doing it, but I still believe Wiggins has a very wide range of outcomes.

Your points about Wiggins maybe right but your points about love are mainly wrong.

Can't wait for Wiggins to see this thread and blast through DeanCapone like Dame on Twitter.

Don't think DAR is near what you should have to pay to abort Mozgov. He's only 21 and always easily their best asset imo

Yeah I'm with you unless they really do sign Lbj and pg next summer

It's a horrible contract tho

#2 pick is their best asset. But you can be the Lakers best asset and be worth only slightly more than -Mozgov, as the market showed.

I think they also just wanted DAR out of town. bad character guy, they dont want drama with Lonzo.

Russell likely gets moved to the bench and then his trade value could tank.

What mainly wrong on Love? Don't get me wrong i like Love he was one of my favorite players when he was on Twolves. Maybe i shouldn't say solid offensive nba player. He a very good offensive player. When he was the go to guy on twolves he showed he can light it up. But i'm just saying he can't blow by people and or stop on a dime like elite scorers of the past like a jordan or kobe where wiggins can do that. Love can score other ways though like posting up and rebounding.

But he is slow compared to most top nba players and he is known as a weak defender. I mean like you mentioned they didn't even play him 2 years ago in finals much because he was a liability.

Love is a very good player but i'd want wiggins who just in his prime now who has a chance to be an elite type player if the potential ever pans out. Love may go down as having the better career if wiggins never pans out but Love's ceiling will always be lower than wiggins ceiling. And wiggins younger.

I like what the Lakers did. I think some people underestimating Brooke Lopez. This dude can score! Magic getting rid of the dumb signing of Mosgove who wasn't good enough to even play on Cavs year before but they throw him a huge contract wtf? Now they get Lonzo Ball(ball going to be sweet), get George either this year or next to add with Ingram and Randle. Starting lineup Lopez, George, Ball, Ingram, Randle look like an exciting young team.

They lose DAR but he probably never be as good as Lopez anyway. And i agree wanted him out of town.

Brooklyn gm has been a straight savage last 2 off seasons considering his spot. Even with the poison pill crabbe and Tyler Johnson contracts

Apparently the market for Russell just wasnt out there. Rumors are the lakers were trying to ship him to multiple teams in the lottery so they took the nets offer. Pistons were linked to him as well. Id of gave up the 12 pick for him if thats all it was going to take like the article i link suggests. Yeah he might have attitude problems but hes still young and can shoot.

https://pistonpowered.com/2017/06/20...ell-can-glean/

CARIS

This thread has really made me turn sour on JJ

Here is my final power rankings

Ball
Fultz

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Isaac
Tatum
Markkanen
Fox

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Jackson
Mitchell
DSJ
Monk
Ntilikina

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Patton
Giles
Anunoby
Adebayo

Sleeper: James Blackmon (IND). I think he is a guy I'd take a shot on in the 30s and I don't see him in mocks anywhere. Injury risk and not a physical freak but he lights it up from 3 with a quick release and has a good wingspan. edit: Also old (22.2 years old).

I haven't thought about Blackmon, but he's a solid deep sleeper. He's kinda aids on defense, but his length and rebounding rates give him a prayer of offering just enough to be worth his shooting. Seems kinda Anthony Morrow-ish. Not sure I'd draft him-- he's arguably worth a late 2nd. He can play for my SL team for sure though.

Dean have you warmed up to juancho yet? He had a pretty good rookie year. Denver seems to have a knack for taking guys who didn't do certain things prior to the pros (Harris taking shots at the rim, for example) and getting them to improve in that regard.

I never thought he was ever going to be a good scorer inside, but low and behold he took over a third of his shots at the Tim with good percentages.