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06-19-2017 , 10:03 PM

#1451

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Does this trade make more believable the claim that Ainge would have taken Durant over Oden if the Celtics had won the lottery in 2007?

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06-19-2017 , 10:03 PM

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Even more protections afaik than previously reported. Celtics have zero #1 pick equity in this.

But Boston gets the more favorable of Kings/Sixers pick

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06-19-2017 , 10:05 PM

#1453

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

I have zero opinion on any of these guys, but frankly I think that's the right way to think about it (in a hugely uncertain projection environment, just take the average of what everybody else thinks). Unless you are dealing with a LeBron/Tim Duncan can't miss type, and there are very few of those.(I don't think anyone is putting Fultz in that class). Short of that, I doubt there is a major difference in EV in going down two draft slots. The #3 guy projects a bit worse than this year's #1 guy, but you throw another nice dart next year or the year after where maybe you can get a Jimmy Butler or Paul George or Kawhi etc etc

the average of what everybody thinks is that fultz is just a notch or two below the lebron/duncan tier and whoever they get at #3 and the LAL/SAC pick will be extremely distant from that.

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Now that I'm reading there are 3-4 top flight prospects next year (Porter, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba) and a few the year after (Bagley, Zion, Reddish)--I'm reading Bagley is the best prospect in 10 years.....seems crazy after all the hype coming with Zion. I think Fultz > Jackson but if fit isn't right and you're going to get value in almost all situations in the future, doesn't seem like a bad trade. Honestly seems like a pretty awesome trade for both teams. Philly finally cashing in some of it's chips; they can only have so many rookies/young players on the squad and Boston getting some chips for 2 good drafts.

the only thing that is good about 2018 is that luka doncic is the best prospect since lebron.

unfortunately he is slated to go #1 and the Celtics can't get #1 with the LAL pick. then the NCAA class is completely mediocre at the top with nobody looking special.

2019 who knows it's too far away. Bagley prob not a goat tho his AAU team sucks.

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06-19-2017 , 10:06 PM

#1454

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But Boston gets the more favorable of Kings/Sixers pick

You didn't read the details. Worst case scenario could be, Sixers or Kings win the #1 pick and the Kings or Sixers win the ring and get the #32 pick which would transfer to the Celts but the Sixers keep the #1 pick. It's not going to happen in almost all situations but it could. Pretty sure in most years Lakers pick next year goes through though.

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06-19-2017 , 10:06 PM

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Maybe they feel they can contend with IT2 and the 4 other guards they have already.

A rumor had them saying they felt they had a logjam at guard already. If they want to commit to IT2 and like Smart they may not want another pg. Smart for sure fits the mold of a player Ainge likes.

I think committing to Thomas would be committing to never make the finals.

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06-19-2017 , 10:07 PM

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Does this trade make more believable the claim that Ainge would have taken Durant over Oden if the Celtics had won the lottery in 2007?

To me it makes it more likely they would of went for the ultra talented defensive center in Oden over the super skilled offensive Durant.

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06-19-2017 , 10:08 PM

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the average of what everybody thinks is that fultz is just a notch or two below the lebron/duncan tier and whoever they get at #3 and the LAL/SAC pick will be extremely distant from that.

the only thing that is good about 2018 is that luka doncic is the best prospect since lebron.

unfortunately he is slated to go #1 and the Celtics can't get #1 with the LAL pick. then the NCAA class is completely mediocre at the top with nobody looking special.

2019 who knows it's too far away. Bagley prob not a goat tho his AAU team sucks.

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Bagley would be the top pick in this year's draft
The 2017 NBA draft could be one of the best in a long time and could have the most one-and-done picks since the inception of the rule in 2005. Even with top talents like Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum and others, Bagley would go before all of them. Bagley is the best pro prospect in the past 10 years. The NBA looks hard at position size combined with athletic ability, measurables, scoring skills and basketball knowledge. Bagley's game has a maturity with high-end results as he flirts with a triple-double on some nights. He will be the top pick in the 2019 NBA draft if he continues to do his job.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/r...n-100-rankings

This just fake news from ESPN about Bagley?

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06-19-2017 , 10:08 PM

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The probability the lakers pick goes to the Celtics is under 50%.

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06-19-2017 , 10:10 PM

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The Lakers blow

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06-19-2017 , 10:12 PM

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The probability the lakers pick goes to the Celtics is under 50%.

Is ball that transcendent that he could make a **** team out of the Lakers and out of the likely 2-5 range? Unless they get PG and Ball, their squad is still **** next year.

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06-19-2017 , 10:14 PM

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http://www.espn.com/college-sports/r...n-100-rankings

This just fake news from ESPN about Bagley?

ya their recruiting nation is not sharp at all. he is a year old for his class and his AAU team is still only 2-14 which is much worse than any teams of the stars in this year's draft. much like most hyped HS players he's probably nothing special at the NBA level, and if he is it is far too soon to say so with any confidence.

i mean imagine if 18 y/o lebron was somehow on a 2-14 team playing against mostly 16 and 17 y/os. would never happen.

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06-19-2017 , 10:25 PM

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To me it makes it more likely they would of went for the ultra talented defensive center in Oden over the super skilled offensive Durant.

Or traded down for Corey Brewer and a protected 2008 1st rounder

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06-19-2017 , 11:08 PM

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i mean imagine if 18 y/o lebron was somehow on a 2-14 team playing against mostly 16 and 17 y/os. would never happen.

reminder: HS Lebron was playing on ESPN (and obv great) more than once. Nobody's hype has come close to his.

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06-19-2017 , 11:14 PM

#1464

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Originally Posted by Christophersen

So who should I hope for with Bucks picking 17?

Assuming Monroe opts in we really just need wing depth or potentially a big/rim defender to groom.

If Monroe opts out we have immediate big minutes open. Seems like no bigs on the board around 17 can spread the floor though which hurts badly

PG for Fatbari is what you should hope for and TJ Leaf

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06-19-2017 , 11:56 PM

#1465

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Um, yes i did but you are correct that i should have said that they get the more favorable unless it's #1. Still, just the fact that they'd get the more favorable makes it better than previously reported.

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06-19-2017 , 11:58 PM

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reminder: HS Lebron was playing on ESPN (and obv great) more than once. Nobody's hype has come close to his.

i'm starting the luka doncic's hype should be on par with lebron train

i legit don't see how he's not a hall of famer. 6'8' athletic PG with insane skill + smarts, already dominating ACB (top euro league) at age 17/18

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06-20-2017 , 12:17 AM

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It's a well written piece. That explains why you are so frustrated with the #1 protections on the picks going to the Celtics.

I watched Magic a lot. He was unfair. You had to cross match your SF onto him to match size. Byron Scott was nbd so opposing teams could put their pg on him. But what if this Doncic guy turns out as your projects and plays on a team with all quality, bigger wings. Half the point guards in the league would be screwed.

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06-20-2017 , 12:52 AM

#1468

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He honestly looks like a hybrid of Lebron/KD.

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06-20-2017 , 01:05 AM

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Isiah Thomas creepy as hell in this video.

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06-20-2017 , 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

This makes more sense to me than anything ITT. I am a Boston fan and while getting the #1 was nice, I didn't equate it to winning the power ball or getting a Magic/Ewing/LeBron/Crosby\Luck type player .

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06-20-2017 , 05:44 AM

#1471

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Boston traded down so they look less stupid when they reach on someone 10 picks too early like they do every year

Markannen is the 3rd pick of the 2017 NBA draft. Ainge would have been killed if he took him with the 1st

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06-20-2017 , 05:51 AM

#1472

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Originally Posted by TheDean1

hes #1 on 247 composite which averages all sites together

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06-20-2017 , 10:12 AM

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Ainge is a super lol prospect evaluator, so if he saw something he didn't like with ball or fultz it should probably be in their favor

I like the Jackson comps to Gerald Wallace and super best case upside of Marion way more than Butler/Kawhi.

He's just not remotely built like Butler or Kawhi and doesn't have the offensive skillset of either. Both were ~225-230 and shredded out of college. JJ is 200 lbs and shredded. Huge difference given how both players use their strength as one of their primary advantages.