Do you watch basketball or just shout into the void? He is a fantastic defender.

Yeah I mean I'm way on the bear-ish side of JJ, he's probably slightly better than I think he is. Having him in the same conversation as Fultz/Ball though is (to me) just really ridiculous. I think having him #3 is pretty ridiculous

Fultz is clearly the best prospect, they all have warts past him. Lonzo shot creation is a serious issue imo

NBA Draft Predictions:

- Josh Jackson goes to the Lakers at #2
- Celtics pass on Lonzo and so do the Suns. Kings take him at #5 and it will be LOL
- Knicks will take Ntilikina (if they don't trade down) and nearly everyone will boo, possibly including Ntilikina himself who would much prefer going to the Mavs
- Butler will be traded to the Cavs in a 3 way trade involving the Suns. Thanks KLove it's been real.
- PG13 is dealt to the Lakers for 25 cents on the dollar
- TWolves draft Isaac

Ya but then I realized I had little evidence to back that up so dropped him back to #3. I mostly just thought last year's class sucked and wanted to yolo the mystery box, turns out mystery box not so hot either.

Marion, Iguodala, Gerald Wallace. Yes I know they all more jacked. But skinnywing isn't that big of a death knell.

Still don't see him as top 10 which is a problem if you are punting on #1 in a strong draft for him.

Also Kiwi shot 76% FT year before draft and JJ 57%. JJ is drawing ultradead to match Kiwi's career NBA shooting #s of 39% 3P 85% FT thus far.

1. Elite Athlete at 6'8 with decent length for his position
2. Top level defensive wing in the nba
3. Can't shoot well, atleast not yet, but can handle the ball & get to the rim. Basically the only knock against him offensively is his shooting, which he can get better at.

Jimmy Butler who isn't close to as athletic as josh jackson is a top 20-25 player & he really isn't an elite shooter either.

The more i'm looking at the wings in this draft the more i like Tatum out of all of them , best offensive wing in this draft & the second best offensive prospect behind Fultz.

lol yea and Kiwi shot 29% from 3 and JJ shot 38%

JJ shot is not broken entirely and can make open 3. He is definitely more Butler than kiwi

Ya I don't get it. Everyone I talk to likes it for Boston. "They don't like the top 2 guys, might as well get picks for it!" Well yeah sure, but passing on Fultz/Ball for Jackson is a sign of massive incompetence. I'm drinking the Ball/Fultz koolaid pretty hard but it also seems like general consensus. Either way I don't see how it can ever be a massive coup for Boston to pass on either of the top 2 guys

And he's way more justise winslow than either of them

(ahem, poker analogy) Seems FPS to me.

They might not have to pass on Ball

1. Joshtice Jackslow

gambling markets have -325/+250 for lakers to take ball

everybody is reporting that the lakers most likely pick is ball

no reason for lakers to be misdirecting re: ball. at this point doesn't sound like they promised JJ, and even if they change their mind at the last second it seems like ainge is extremely comfortable passing on ball and isn't making this move bc he's hustling on secret info.

If u have been following the rumors of the draft before that trade one comment came out right before the trade that sticks to me. Remember he loved Winslow and Jackson is a better version of Winslow.

“I’ve picked Danny’s brain for years,” one GM told ESPN’s Chad Ford. “(Josh) Jackson is an Ainge player all the way. Tough, athletic, long, versatile, elite motor. If he’s keeping the pick, Jackson just to me, far and away, is the most Celtics-type player for them to draft. From all my conversations with them, I’m convinced they’ll take Jackson No. 1.”

We like him a lot,” a Celtics source told Ford. “But we like several guys a lot. We’ve got a week to figure it out.”

Gotta believe thats the target.

would comfortably bet Lakers taking ball, i think market should be more like -500

Fultz at 3 lock it up

I was thinking Boston did the deal, because Chicago would accept #3 in a Butler deal. And then they get extra value with the future picks

Tatum will be a really good player if he can improve his range. The threes he took in college were always ugly

i hope this is what happens. That would add at least give us a team that could take the cavs 6 in the ECF maybe.

he made 35% of his 3's that were NBA distance. 41% overall.

I have zero opinion on any of these guys, but frankly I think that's the right way to think about it (in a hugely uncertain projection environment, just take the average of what everybody else thinks). Unless you are dealing with a LeBron/Tim Duncan can't miss type, and there are very few of those.(I don't think anyone is putting Fultz in that class). Short of that, I doubt there is a major difference in EV in going down two draft slots. The #3 guy projects a bit worse than this year's #1 guy, but you throw another nice dart next year or the year after where maybe you can get a Jimmy Butler or Paul George or Kawhi etc etc

Fultz doesnt have to just be good if he joins Boston. There's a difference between good and championship-level lead guard.

Boston is in the business of contending and maybe they just dont think he has it.

Now that I'm reading there are 3-4 top flight prospects next year (Porter, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba) and a few the year after (Bagley, Zion, Reddish)--I'm reading Bagley is the best prospect in 10 years.....seems crazy after all the hype coming with Zion. I think Fultz > Jackson but if fit isn't right and you're going to get value in almost all situations in the future, doesn't seem like a bad trade. Honestly seems like a pretty awesome trade for both teams. Philly finally cashing in some of it's chips; they can only have so many rookies/young players on the squad and Boston getting some chips for 2 good drafts.

Fultz makes too much sense for Philly. They need another PG/SG who can play with Simmons like Harden would and a guy who can shoot at a pretty high %.

Philly still has their pick next year and likely will have the Sacto pick 2 years from now in addition to their pick. Seems like they are in a pretty sweet spot unless Embiid, Simmons and Fultz all fail which seems improbable.

Maybe they feel they can contend with IT2 and the 4 other guards they have already.

A rumor had them saying they felt they had a logjam at guard already. If they want to commit to IT2 and like Smart they may not want another pg. Smart for sure fits the mold of a player Ainge likes.