I'd like to see Collins fall to the pistons. He would be a good fit.

So who should I hope for with Bucks picking 17?

Assuming Monroe opts in we really just need wing depth or potentially a big/rim defender to groom.

If Monroe opts out we have immediate big minutes open. Seems like no bigs on the board around 17 can spread the floor though which hurts badly

I mean, you have Thon already, he's going to continue to develop. I would normally say you just hope Giles falls to you regardless of team needs and hope that he bounces back to the form that merited the #1 recruit hype.

barring that, i'd hope Anunoby falls to your slot I guess

edit - i guess there's also a rare chance that Ntilikina falls to you. i would trust no other team at developing a raw young kid with crazy length. maybe thats the ideal one.

Even more protections afaik than previously reported. Celtics have zero #1 pick equity in this.

Great Philly trade

consider the following:

lakers pick next year is #1, philly gets it

kings pick in 2019 is #1, philly gets it

philly with donkic/embiid/fultz/simmons/roco are a playoff team in 2018-2019 and thus,

celtics end up getting a mid-late 1st round pick in 2019 in order to move 2 slots down in 2017

LOL

And the worse part is Ainge seems happy with it. LOL

On the flip side Boston keeps equity at the top of the next 2 drafts which they can flip for a superstar like Westbrook

It is not going to be a mid-late 1st in 2019. It's going to be a 2 thru 5 a huge % of the time. Still an AIDS return for a draft with such a big disparity from 1 to 3.

Ainge is saying that they are drafting their top choice at #3. This means that they somehow like Tatum or Josh Jackson more than Ball AND Fultz which is just LOL. Unless he's somehow hustling and knows the Lakers promised JJ which seems unlikely

what were his splits?

all i'm saying is that a small percentage of the time, danny ainge is giving up fultz/ball to draft josh jackson and his prize is the 20th pick in the 2019 draft

that would be absolutely hilarious

it would be a lol ainge for sure but it's like 1% to happen. more likely he binks another #3 pick and takes another jaylen level turd.

i'm just curious what their board looks like. ainge said that their #3 choice is the guy they likely would have taken at #1. then he said they are torn between two guys.

if he thinks lakers promised JJ and has 1. lonzo 2. tatum 3. fultz that's fine. but if he thinks lakers are taking lonzo and has like 1. tatum 2. jackson 3. fultz 4. lonzo then that's hyperlol. should be an interesting sweat anyway

If you understand EV, that's not a big deal, given a sufficiently high probability of getting a #2 or #3 pick in the one of the next two drafts.

He's going for it on 4th and goal instead of taking the easy field goal, but maybe it's more like he's on the two- or three-yard line rather than inches away from a TD.

I think Ainge should have tried to get Philly to toss in some second-round picks that are at least 3-4 years in the future, though.

how do you make that trade without even having chance at getting the #1 pick with the other first rounder

Do you think this deal is worse than getting the 2018 Lakers pick unprotected? 2019 Philly? 2019 Sacramento? I wouldn't be shocked if Ainge was offered one of those, asked for two of them, and came up with this idea as a compromise that he thought was more valuable than a single pick.

True, but the Lakers pick probably had the back end protection on it at the Celtics insistence. They did it on purpose to maximize chance of a top 5 pick, given that Philly likely wasn't going to move off of Top 1 protection for either one.

So yea it's be a huge LOL if it comes through, but it's by choice for the Celts not cause the Sixers bent them over.

It's more like he took the FG imo. Took two shots at the almost certain top 5 pick rather than one shot at #1

I hate trades like this because everybody spitting hot takes but we all know we won't know the winner of this trade for probably 3+ if not 5+ years.


If Fultz ends up being the next transcendent star obv Philly wins.

If Ainge really does grab a player (Jackson/Tatum probably) that turns out better than Ball and Fultz, Celtics win.

That being said, maybe Celtics have other ideas. Did anybody expect them to take Jaylen last year ? (At least I don't remember that being suggested)

Issac or Fox being the most obvious DARK horses, both of which I'm high on but I don't think I'd take either over Jackson.


Also, why the recent Jaylen Brown hate? Did you not watch the playoffs? Kid is gonna be a real good two way player. Would not be surprised if he ends up being an all star.

That seems a bit results-oriented to want to wait to see how everything turned out. I want to understand the thought process that goes into making this trade and determining if it is a process I can trust. You should be able to tell if a shot if the result of good shot selection or bad shot selection before you see it go in.

The Celtics could have other ideas. One being bandied about is #3 in a package for Jimmy Butler and still finding a way to clear enough cap space to sign a max free agent so that the Celtics might have a wing rotation of Hayward, Butler, and Brown. I could see them trading down again with Sacramento and taking Markkanen as an Olynyk replacement.

I expected them to take either Brown or Bender last year.

Yes, for every impressive play he spazzes his face off and does something bad multiple times. his reg season BPM was -4, his playoff BPM was -4.2, his college stats were bad, there is overall not a shred of statistical evidence suggesting he is anything more than a future bench player.

Given those protections, it does seem like a win-win. I believe Ainge, that they liked whoever they're going to take at #3 the best. We'll see in 5 years if he's an idiot, but gotta like trusting your big board and not the draft industrial complex.

I like the trade for Philly more. Keeping all the #1 overall equity has value.

Boston really had no options last year; other than Simmons who might still be ****, it was a WOAT draft. Probably at least 10-15 guys this year who would be taken over Brown (or Ingram) this year .

It's too soon to give up on Ingram + Bender who are super young + super skinny. Let's see if they make soph leaps before getting too pessimistic on them.

Also Jamal Murray wasn't bad as a rookie. He still has value IMO. I think taking Brown over Murray/Bender was a pretty clear mistake.

Are there guys as bad as Ingram was that made a future leap? Ingram had a 8.5 PER in almost 25 MPG on 47% TS%.

There aren't many players who turn 19 right before opening day who are 6'9" 190 like Ingram.

But an example of a player who did was Kevin Durant. Granted, Ingram is clearly way behind Durant as a rookie. But if he progresses over the next 2 years like KD did, he will suddenly start to look pretty good.

Zach LaVine is another example. Giannis like KD was better than Ingram as a rookie but has nevertheless made massive strides.