Josh Jackson didn't even workout for them cause he doesn't want to go there & play along side the plethora of wings they have in; crowder, j.brown. Not sure if he shines the hardest by going to Boston, pretty sure he looks the best by going to a team he's confident he's starting on.

He'd start on the Bulls

josh jackson is unlikely to be good year 1, and could easily learn bad habits trying to be the star on a bad team.

this isnt a durant / lebron situation.

if you look at the career trajectory of the "long athlete who developed skills" (butler, paul george, antetokoumpo, kawhi), none of them was amazing year 1, they grew into their role and took on more responsibility as they could handle it.

edit: butler and kawhi both came into the league at 21/22 and werent real good until 2-3 years in. paul george had his first good season at 22.

if you're hoping he ends up being in the rough universe of those players, its still not likely to take shape for a while, and theres no indication that being a ****ty starter as opposed to a strong bench player for a decent team is the better development approach.

How are you consistently wrong in everything you say? Covington is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. I don't think you have ever watched a Sixers game.

Let's see what Colangelo has done:

1) Received the number 1 pick and got Ben Simmons from Hinkie's tank
2) Received the number 5 pick. Jumped to 3 because of Hinkie's pick swap. Traded 3 and LAL pick (which was a trade Hinkie was criticized for) and now will get the number 1 pick and draft Fultz.
3) Signed Bayless to a terrible contract.
4) Signed Henderson to a mediocre contract.
5) Gave away Nerlens Noel for a 2nd round pick.

I had incredibly low standards for Colangelo. He hasn't done anything positive until this trade with the Celtics. I give him credit for realizing Ainge doesn't want Fulz and only giving up the Lakers pick to jump. He's a bottom 10 GM but he hasn't killed us, yet.

Cannot wait to mash the under on Philly

GM of the year

What do you think it'll be.

34?

I hate the Colangelos and the way they took over, and I was legitimately scared that Bryan would screw everything up. I've now moved to cautiously optimistic.

The Bayless contract was terrible. The way he handled the Nerlens/Okafor situation was atrocious - if he was set on moving Nerlens, he should have done it the previous offseason. Okafor should have been traded that summer as well.

He's done some good things too though. The TLC pick was a slam dunk (was one of my favorite picks pre-draft and was hoping we'd trade up for him). I was hoping for two of Baldwin/McCaw/TLC but TLC and Korkmaz was a good result.

Turning Jerami Grant into the OKC pick and Ersan, and then turning Ersan into a mid-2nd and a swap from 60 to 50 was solid too. Picking up the 36 and 60 picks in the Marshall for Pleiss salary dump was a Hinkie type move as well.

It also seems like he recognizes how important Covington is and is intent on giving him a big extension.

He hasn't done enough to make me think he's a great or even good GM, but he's given me enough confidence to believe that he won't screw up all of Hinkie's good work.

Really? I've been under the impression that his drafting has been kind of poor, but then I'm not an NBA expert.

simpleton view:

feels like if Jackson has a fighting chance to be as good as Fultz in the long run, getting another nice dart to throw at the board makes sense. especially with Warriors where they are at, C's aren't competing for a title any time soon

just completely guessing, but what are the odds Lakers pick ends up #2-#5 next year? 25%? and if not you're probably looking at a Kings lottery pick the year after.

He's made some really good trades but I have to agree, his drafting skills haven't been the greatest. AB was a good pick, Tony Allen has had a decent career, Smart and Rozier so far have been ok and the jury is still out on his 2016 picks. Other then that his picks have been trash. In 15 years of drafting you have to at least hit 1 stud somewhere. He definitely hasn't done that.

I really think Jackson has a 0% chance of being as good as Fultz.

Yeah I've somewhat warmed on colangelo. I'm a hinkie hater but think they did the right thing going with someone different once the assets had been procured.

I'm a fan of all 3 TZGM teams

It's clear that his draft record could have been better but I don't think that's poor by any metric.

He clearly executed well to form the big 3 which is outside the draft; smart enough to blow it up and rip off the Nets and smart enough to build it back up now relatively quickly and pretty well.

Yeah I mean Ainge is inarguably a top ~5 GM

Look at his draft positions and what hes done. I don't think you can say anyone could do any better. I think hes maximized it. Sure Smart and Rozier haven't been studs (even though smart actually plays A TON) but they havent been busts.

Hes a top 3 GM for sure, or has been..still left to see what happens,
If he signs IT to a ridic deal though, I still stand firm in saying hes ****ing completely lost it

Neil Oshley is the GM who went from top tier top 5 to now in mediocre land.

BFace im hoping you are trolling with the hinkie hate. Seems like you would rater hire colangelo than hinkie to run your ship and I think that's wrong for anyone to think that.

You are committing franchise suicide or hindering it big time if you would hire colangelo over hinkie in any situation

Trolling with Colangelo love. He's obviously a moron. Not trolling wrt Hinkie though. He had a massively flawed strategy that's still very unlikely to pay off. And even if they become good it doesn't erase all the terrible seasons that still happened.

Problem with title or bust is if u don't title it's a bust.

SO if you were him you would have done what they did a year prior trying to pick up JRICH and Bynum? trying to win now? Isnt ainge essentially trying to do the same thing without tanking?

I just think its unfair to call out PHI for being that abysmal when they literally didnt want to pay for overpriced mediocre retnals.


I understand this has been talked about ad naseum. But Hinkie is AT LEAST better than 10 other GMs in the league imo


POR fans now hate Neil but moths prior to his signing's they felt they were almost in win now mode that needed a few pieces. look how thats turned out now.

Moreso Ball than Fultz, but ya. I just don't get what people see in Jackson. He's a Lance Stephenson prototype and those are practically extinct. I feel like the dropoff from Fultz/Ball to Jackson is so big this can't be a win for Boston.

I also don't get why Philly wants Fultz over Ball. Say what you want about Fultz v Ball but I think they're close enough that you want to consider fit and with what (I assume) they're hoping Ben Simmons turns out to be Lonzo has to be better than Fultz for their team.

Crazy that Ball might be the better 3pt shooter now and going forward wrt Fultz and Jackson. too early to tell but still.

I think it says something about Fultz that BOS wasnt THAT impressed by him. hes the slam dunk #1 and Ainge didnt like him. still dont know what he sees in jackson but who knows.

Philly doesnt want ball because they dont want to deal with a potential 96 kobe situation. which I doubt would ever happen. but why else wouldnt they want to get a workout with a potential ALL star PG, a position I still think they arent completely set at ?

my worry is that the reason boston didnt love fultz because they think AB / IT is a strong enough backcourt that we need more wing help, rather than fultz not having the potential to be a top 10.

i think theres a decent (say 25+%) chance fultz ends up in the 5-10 range of NBA players and im sad to drop down to pick up a guy thats more like 5-10%, although with probably some equity of being top 5.