What star has ever taken the QO?

It would be especially whack considering that he will be departing a winning situation for the best coach in the NBA to either play for a trash Clippers team or a Lakers team where he shares the backcourt with Fultz + DAR.

Sure it's a slight increased likelihood of leaving after 7-8 years but still, we don't even know if Lonzo cares that much about being in LA. We just know that LaVar does, and his influence will likely be decreased as Lonzo transitions from 19 year old college kid to 26 year old NBA superstar.

Dunc'd On pod seemed rather harsh on Josh Jackson. While a fan of his passing, they both had a bunch of negatives:

• Awkward stroke and low FT% (57.7%)
• Doesn't project to be #1 scorer on a team
• Too small a frame guard large SFs

Are these legit? Jackson still going to be a top 3-5 pick? They both had Isaac>>>>>>>Tatum>>Jackson.

Criticism #1 is well-trod terrain. Obvious response is SSS, 3 point % decent (esp as season progressed), and young players (esp extremely competitive guys) tend to improve shooting.

#2 is whatever. Neither did George/Jimmy/Kawhi.

#3 is lol. He has fine size and will get bigger/stronger.

Guess I'll just add my weekly Danny/Nate blow and aren't worth listening to.

He was also harsh on Staps on his draft preview pod a couple years ago. Clearly the knicks missed that pod or just didnt care about it. I like his stuff but as with all of these pods and websites its just someones opinion.

Obv Jackson has concerns hes not perfect. He got better as the season went on shooting the ball. I havent heard about the not being able to guard large SF's one till now. Hes a good athlete and a strong defender i think hes going to be fine on that side of the ball.

I find Nate Duncan's stuff to be rather lolworthy wrt draftees, but I actually sort of agree with him here. He doesn't have 4 size but his skillset is more suited to that position. I think he'll be a fine player but is a major dog to be a star imo.

Nate vs. Dean

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The two were similarly low/high on Capela...

And yes I've been wanting to type his name for like 4 weeks. It's a disease

Lakers will trade up to pick Mitchell Trubisky.

@dean. extrapolating those jumpshooting #s for ball is sketchy imo. decent chance he can't get clean looks off the dribble given his release

How many guys who shoot 57% from the line in college become 3 point threats in the NBA? And how many years does it take the ones who do?

Jackson seems like Justice Winslow 2.0. And I still like Winslow fine, but am not taking him 3rd in the draft.

Jackson has way more BBIQ than JW.

For #2, they were the 10th/30th/15th pick respectively. Isn't it a bit different if you're taking a SF in the top 3-5? I barely saw Jackson play at all in college, so no idea if there is any merit to Nate's opinion.

Another point I forgot to bring up, Jackson is pretty old for his class. He's more than a year old than some other prospects (Fultz, Tatum, Monk). Not sure how much that matters when they're still all rather young.

This article agrees with you. https://medium.com/@jzmazlish/age-jo...t-158ed2c9a187 Good breakdown of why he doesnt like Jackson.

"In some ways, part of me worries that even #4 overall is too high for Jackson. One can make a somewhat scary comparison between Justise Winslow’s post-injury NCAA numbers and Jackson’s hot stretch of play towards the end of his season.

Winslow played in a similarly perfect college offensive situation and was also compared to guys like Jimmy Butler and Kawhi as a result. Winslow was also over a year younger than Jackson during their respective freshman seasons. So far at least, Winslow’s totally failed to shoot the ball in the NBA and kind of sucked on offense.

This comparison isn’t too scary for a few reasons, but it is at least concerning. For one, Winslow is still a decent bet to become a very useful NBA player and at least average offensive one. Secondly, Jackson’s shown more competency as an off-the-dribble shooter than Winslow did, which is encouraging for his shot translation. Also, that Jackson relies more on quickness and less on overpowering guys than Winslow is a good sign."

Seems like Jackson isnt the ideal player for the sixers current roster makeup even if he is the 3rd best player in the draft. He could just be a better version of Winslow though so its a fair comparison.

Really?

Seems like Miami got muuuuch better when he got hurt.

Thats words from the author of the article not me by the way!

I dont catch to much heat basketball but yeah does seem like there hot streak came when he went down. I imagine its tough to win playing 4-5 on the offensive end.

Was there other factors at play at the same time as Winslow getting hurt? I'm not really sure about that as im not paying much attention to the heat.

It's very hard to predict #1 scoring options in the SF mold, plenty of guys who fit JJ's skill set have emerged as #1 scorers.

Avery Bradley shot 54.5% from the line in college and became a 3-point threat in his second season.

That's a good one that I didn't know about. Good job on Ainge drafting Bradley. Surprising mediocre college stats.

To nitpick Bradley shot a lot less free throws in college making it more likely to be a small sample size thing and Bradley only attempted 54 3s the year you say he became a 3 point threat and shot 31.9% from 3 on more attempts the year after.

I find Philly's #3 spot to be pretty interesting.

Do they take a traditional PG, take a scoring guard (possibly after trading down even), or just take BPA since they have Simmons to do distributing?

people have used ft% to project 3pt% in the nba and i think it correlates pretty well, but anecdotally it seems like there have been more cases of recently of poor ft shooters with good/respectable 3pt #s. not sure if that's just memory bias or if there are more frequent flukes since more people are shooting 3s now


edit: here's an old study on correlations b/t ncaa and nba stats. ft% had an r-square of .76 (nearly as good at 3pt % which was .79). maybe for guys with funky shots or long releases an in rhythm 3 lets them get their bodies set more or something than shooting a ft from a standstill. seems like a stretch but idk. iguodala comes to mind as an nba player who is a poor ft shooter and an ok 3pt shooter, albeit a streaky one. granted he wasn't always a bad ft shooter, but he is a better 3pt shooter now than when he was a solid/good ft shooter. lot of that looks to be due to shooting more from the corners though so idk

Probably a small sample size thing, since he shot better in high school. His second NBA season ended because he kept dislocating his shoulder in the playoffs and needed surgery. He actually had to have the same surgery done on both shoulders and shot poorly until the last two months of his third season.

He was a highly rated player coming out of high school, including #1 by ESPNU, but he arguably didn't do as well in college as he could have because of terrible coaching. Does this mean that Fultz, who seems to have had both a bad college coach and a good attitude, is going to be a better player than you would think based on projecting from college stats?

Yeah its much more interesting then the first 2 picks.. They could use shooting and a pg. The next best player if its not Jackson is Fox who also cant shoot. So if they dont go Jackson do they take the small reach on Monk since he can shoot? If they feel Fox is the better player maybe they just grab Fox despite not being to provide the spacing they need.

My guess is they just take BPA which consensus says is Jackson and hope he can improve his shooting.

Isaac would be an interesting fit with Philly's roster. Swiss army knife with strong shooting profile for a big. 3rd/4th option on O (Embiid/Simmons/Lowry?) and super flexible on D (highest stock SF in DX100 and ability to switch onto guards and guard 5s.)

I'd strongly consider him at 3.

Yeah i like Isaac alot. Hes got big potential. Problem with him on the sixers is your going for a backup when you can draft a starter with all star potential.

Everyone seems to have gotten a huge chubby for Isaac lately, not really feeling him for the Sixers at 3. I don't love any of the options honestly, JJ seems to have shooting issues that would make it hard for him and Simmons to be in a lot of line ups, Tatum is a bad fit, Monk seems like a massive reach there, like Fox but he it seems to bring the same issues Jackson would. Wouldn't surprise me if they traded down, maybe try and get 5 & 10 from the Kangz.

As dumb as the kings are i wouldnt expect them to be dumb enough to move the 5 and 10 in this particular draft for the 3 pick. This is the rare draft that actually runs 10 deep with solid prospects and i think everybody knows it.

Tatum seems like he should be able to develop a 3 pointer being that he shot so well from the free throw line.

Cant wait to see what the sixers do they literally could go so many directions.