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05-16-2017 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Much easier to hide a poor defending guard
Russell is a poor defender in the way most 21 year olds are poor defenders. He has defensive potential. Post All-Star break, he averaged 1.8 steals per game.
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05-16-2017 , 10:54 PM
Does Deangelo really have AS equity in the West at Guard or PG?

RWB
Curry
Klay
Paul for the next few years
Harden
Lillard

Seems like some steep competition.

Future rookie PGs have more AS equity than Dangelo.
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05-16-2017 , 11:01 PM
He is 21 you bay water ingrate
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05-16-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Does Deangelo really have AS equity in the West at Guard or PG?

RWB
Curry
Klay
Paul for the next few years
Harden
Lillard

Seems like some steep competition.

Future rookie PGs have more AS equity than Dangelo.
In five years, most of those players will be regressing while Russell enters his prime. Russell will be a SG with Ball as the PG. Post All-Star break, the Lakers played Russell at SG to test this out with Clarkson starting at PG. Russell had his best play of the season, averaging 18 ppg and 5 assists. Seems to be a lot of Russell haters who don't watch him play. He is basically modeling his game after Curry, developing a quick release. His 3-pt percentage is going to shoot way up within a couple years, and will be a good match with Ball feeding him. The Lakers should look to deal Randle and Clarkson, but Russell would be the last one I'd deal.
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05-16-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Isn't Ball the only ball dominant PG in the draft? I'm not sure if Fox always needs the ball in his hands to be successful. Fox's 3 point % is a concern--25% at the college level doesn't seem great.
I don't really see where you are going with this. You're telling me Fox can defend PGs but can't really shoot? Is that really an upgrade for Philly over PJ?

idk, I think PhillyHinkie did such a great job aquiring picks that they should keep swinging for the fences. you undoubtedly watch more college bbal than I do (since I watch essentially none), and most of the top-10 picks will work out this year, and if Philly had the #2 pick the pressure to pick Fultz/Ball would be great. but aorn, i think that Markannen has the most all-star-EV of the players in the 3-10 range. otoh, that may be wildly wrong.

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Originally Posted by mavsfan4ever
I was texting with my friend and this came up. He said that lakers should trade Russell and randle for another lottery pick. I said no team in top ten would trade their pick for those two. He said Mavs would snap accept that trade. I disagree. I'd rather take my chances on a pg falling to 9 and picking them.

I don't think Russell is terrible but I hate randle. So I'd rather gamble on the upside of the 9th pick. But if we pick markannen then I'm going to be pissed.

Am I on the right side of that argument!
lol-wat - you have the #9 pick and you would be disappointed to draft Markannen?

Am I reading this right?


That's a take up there with the idea that the Celts can trade their top pick for Embiid. And the Celtics slappies saying that they wouldn't do that ever for celts-raisins.

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Originally Posted by jwd
I wouldn't be surprised if Colangelo does something stupid like trading the Lakers unprotected pick next year for Russell + some marginal asset.
. this would not be a surprise
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05-16-2017 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jwd
A Deangelo to Philly for Okafor + other assets makes sense. However, Covington is worth way more than that. Covington is the most underrated player in the NBA. It's obvious nobody in this thread watches him.
I am with you on RoCo and I agree he is massively underrated, but he is going to be an unrestricted free agent and some team like Brooklyn is gonna throw a crapload of money at him which the 76ers will not match. There's no reason to hold onto him this year when you can use him as a trade chip to get a PG while taking Josh Jackson.
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05-16-2017 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mavsfan4ever
I was texting with my friend and this came up. He said that lakers should trade Russell and randle for another lottery pick. I said no team in top ten would trade their pick for those two.
Orlando might, Minnesota definitely would, Knicks absolutely would, Dallas would do it 100%, Sacramento would do it 100% for their 10th overall pick (not 5th).

Kind of a pointless argument though because I think Lakers see Randle as having much more value than a package for another top ten pick, let alone him+DAR for a top ten.
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05-16-2017 , 11:13 PM
I think Markannen could be good but he won't play much for the Sixers, they need guards/SFs/shooters they don't need bigs. They have Embiid/Holmes/Simmons/Saric to eventually be a big part of their bigs rotation. 3 of those guys are building block level players for the Sixers at this point.
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05-16-2017 , 11:19 PM
Two additional draft day trade ideas that keep coming back to me:

1) Orlando gets Dragic and a future 1st to move down from 6 to 14. Miami gets Elfrid, Hezonja, and drafts Markkanen.

2) Minnesota forces the Knicks to puke Lance Thomas to move up 1 spot so they don't miss out on getting Dennis Smith.
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05-16-2017 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
Orlando might, Minnesota definitely would, Knicks absolutely would, Dallas would do it 100%, Sacramento would do it 100% for their 10th overall pick (not 5th).

Kind of a pointless argument though because I think Lakers see Randle as having much more value than a package for another top ten pick, let alone him+DAR for a top ten.
wat
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05-16-2017 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
I am with you on RoCo and I agree he is massively underrated, but he is going to be an unrestricted free agent and some team like Brooklyn is gonna throw a crapload of money at him which the 76ers will not match. There's no reason to hold onto him this year when you can use him as a trade chip to get a PG while taking Josh Jackson.
Sixers can extend him this offseason where he won't have as much leverage since he has made peanuts thus far in his NBA career. He is going to desperately want to lock in guaranteed money over four years.
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05-16-2017 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
Two additional draft day trade ideas that keep coming back to me:

1) Orlando gets Dragic and a future 1st to move down from 6 to 14. Miami gets Elfrid, Hezonja, and drafts Markkanen.

2) Minnesota forces the Knicks to puke Lance Thomas to move up 1 spot so they don't miss out on getting Dennis Smith.
Bosh and whiteside got in each other and dragics way a little. Little or no drop off after blood clots since deng played so much better at 4, and obviously james Johnson was amazing there this year.

Also don't think heat mess with #culture to draft a player who theoretically has a lower ceiling than some of the 5-10 guys.
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05-16-2017 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
I think Markannen could be good but he won't play much for the Sixers, they need guards/SFs/shooters they don't need bigs. They have Embiid/Holmes/Simmons/Saric to eventually be a big part of their bigs rotation. 3 of those guys are building block level players for the Sixers at this point.
But Markannen is a shooter & gives you floor spacing.

So I think there are minutes for him.

Agreed he can't defend #1's

I can see trading some portion of Holmes and Okafor for some people who are ~6'6" and can defend #1s and #2s & shoot a lil as a better solution than trying to draft exactly that.


But I don't really have a horse in the race - I'm ldo in favour of 'the process' being a real thing, but not a 76er fan - and I may be completely wrong. So I guess we'll see what the Sixers do and how it works out.
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05-16-2017 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jwd
Sixers can extend him this offseason where he won't have as much leverage since he has made peanuts thus far in his NBA career. He is going to desperately want to lock in guaranteed money over four years.
Brooklyn just offered 4/75 for Crabbe and 4/40 for Tyler Johnson, teams are gonna toss something in that ballpark for RoCo in a year, whatever desperation extension you think RoCo will want to sign I'm pretty sure his agent is gonna say wait a year and get paid.

Sorry for sidetracking draft discussion.
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05-17-2017 , 12:37 AM
Shocker of the night, suns got hosed AGAIN


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05-17-2017 , 12:49 AM
The Lakers could get a LOT more for Russell than Okafor if they wanted to trade him. Also they already have a Jahlil Okafor, he's called Julius Randle. What are you going to do, play Okafor and Randle together?
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05-17-2017 , 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Celtics trade that for Butler or George or something else 90% of the time right?
You would think, i'de assume they would trade it for butler but not george, he badly wants to go to LA for whatever reason & training with kobe now in the off season. If they don't get butler then i think it will be fultz they take & trade avery bradley.

I think both lakers & celtics picks could be traded which will make june interesting.
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05-17-2017 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
Celtics trade that for Butler or George or something else 90% of the time right?
Unless I'm misjudging Fultz' prospect status, I think it'd take more than just the #1 for them. Look at what the Cavs paid for Love, and he was 100% not resigning with Minnesota.

NBA GMs rate young player less highly than internet fans, in general, imo.
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05-17-2017 , 01:00 AM
cavs were also (in theory) kevin love away from winning the championship that year.

celtics are jimmy butler away from being the clear 2nd best team in the east.

doesnt quite have the same ring to it.
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05-17-2017 , 01:03 AM
trading for butler or george is dumb as long as lebron is still in his prime and as long as the current warriors roster exists

way better to build for the best team 5 years from now
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05-17-2017 , 01:18 AM
Yeah C's might as well just hold at this point. Fultz could turn out being the star they've been waiting for + another nets pick incoming. Nobodys beating the Cavs in the East till like 2020.

Big lotto winners=C's, Lakers keeping their pick + Balls going where they want, and 76ers getting Josh Jackson.

Suns get screwed but theyll get Tatum who could turn out being a really good player.
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05-17-2017 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The Lakers could get a LOT more for Russell than Okafor if they wanted to trade him. Also they already have a Jahlil Okafor, he's called Julius Randle. What are you going to do, play Okafor and Randle together?
Well unloading Deng/Mozgov is a pretty big deal too.
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05-17-2017 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jwd
Sixers can extend him this offseason where he won't have as much leverage since he has made peanuts thus far in his NBA career. He is going to desperately want to lock in guaranteed money over four years.
This. All my fantasies of having him in 2018 went to crap after looking at his deal.

For all the hate that the Lakers are getting, I was far more worried that Philly would get their pick because they are the more scary team by a wide margin.
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05-17-2017 , 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Seems like **** for **** trade; guess it could work. Isn't Covington the best asset of the players given? Don't Sixers need a player like Covington?

Seems like

PG in Draft
SG-Hendo
SF-Saric
PF-Simmons
C-Embiid

First Guy off the Bench:
PF/C-Holmes
SF-Covington (or should Saric come off the bench?)
PG-TJ?

Mozgov won't play unless they know Embiid remains hurt cause of Holmes and DENG is OLLLLD.
Henderson isn't starting. I doubt his option is even picked up. Saric should come off the bench. Assuming Fultz/Ball go 1/2, we're likely to draft Jackson and lineup would be:

FA PG (ideally Lowry or Holiday)
Covington
Jackson
Simmons
Embiid

Bench:
TJ
Bayless
Stauskas
TLC
Saric
Holmes
Long

Spacing in the starting lineup would be rough but defense would be stellar.
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05-17-2017 , 02:58 AM
Marcus Smart + #1 overall for #2 overall + 2018 1st round
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