Giles down to #25 in DraftExpress. He should really come back, he's in real danger of not going first round and not even being guaranteed a contract.

I can't believe how high Robert Williams has risen. I went to A&M so I've seen quite a few of his games. I think he's great in college, but I just wouldn't want my team taking him with a top 10 pick bc of his size.

He's young and has great potential, but I'm not picking a 6'9'' power forward with a top ten pick that hasn't shown he can stretch the floor, even if he is crazy athletic.

What are this board's thoughts on him? Are the scouts projecting him to develop a shot and become a stretch 4?

where would Giles have gone if he just sat out all year? I gotta think top 10. Maybe top 6.

I vaguely remember reading that he absolutely destroyed Thon Maker two years ago. Not that it has any bearing on where he gets drafted just found it interesting.

Hes got a reported 7-5 wingspan. He could turn out being a undersized, athletic, high energy, rim protecting center.

Tough to say because this looks like such a good draft at this point. Top 10 makes sense figuring he was a super hyped recruit.

I wouldn't imagine there are many people projecting him to be a stretch four.

Anything's possible, and he's still young. But FT% is typically used as a proxy, and he's shooting 59% FTs on a large sample. Not a good sign for future shot development.

I agree, from watching him this season I don't see alot of stretch four potential. That's why I wouldn't want to pick him with a top 10 pick in a loaded draft. I don't see his ceiling as being high enough to warrant a top 10 pick. But obviously if he developed range, then he could be amazing.

His shot doesn't look terrible, so I guess there is a decent chance he could develop a decent mid range shot, maybe something like Blake Griffin. But I'm not sure.

Tatum going up has to be a troll.

robert williams dx profile mentions him flashing shooting out to the 3pt line at some event, and while 59% isn't good it's not terrible either, esp if his form and general shooting touch seems ok generally

59% is fine for a rim running, defensive center. It's bad for someone trying to even shoot 18 footers, let alone 3s.

TJ Leaf seems pretty underappreciated by DX

If anything, he's a little bigger and stronger than Dirk, and he's still a teenager. He's listed at 7'0" but he looks taller than his teammate that's been listed at 7'0" for a few years. His game is actually better suited to the NBA than college because of his euro background where they bang down low. He's had foul troubles adjusting to the soft college game.

Ball effect (see, inter alia, Bryce Alford).

i don't think leaf has great nba potential really, but he at least has some and might get drafted. bryce alford definitely has zero and i don't think anyone thinks otherwise yeah he might be taller and stronger, he does look like he actually lifts which is something dirk never did. that said, in noting those qualities the subtext is that you'd like it to mean he has some center potential defensively. but since he doesn't get any stocks and isn't that long it seems unlikely. the book on him seems to be that he basically plays small, including being better laterally on d that you'd expect, so pf is probably his most likely position


in terms of the dirk comparison generally though, i watched a few vids of dirk from 20-23yo and it's obvious that young dirk was a better athlete (quicker, more agile, more coordinated generally), a more versatile shooter, and had a better floor game in general. lauri's spot up shooting might be on a similar level though, and his pullup game is still ok

something else that struck me was that today's coaches would probably have had dirk shooting way more 3s than he did back then, something which lauri seems naturally more inclined to do anyway

anyway the lauri hype train is picking up some steam after he had 29 vs ucla, i wouldn't be totally surprised if he entered the top 3 conversation at some point. while fultz/ball seems fairly locked in, there's lot of debate about the actual ranking of the next 6-8 guys

I'm going to scout Ntilikina IRL this afternoon, let's see how real this kid is

Obviously re:Bryce.

It's more that everyone who plays w/Ball sees a massive increase in efficiency.

De'Aaron Fox has top-3 equity outta this draft. Has Harden/Ginobili hybrid athleticism/size/smooth/BBIQ.

*inter alios

curious what everyone thinks of john collins, guy has never attempted 3's but is 70% from the free throw line. looks good physically but is a little raw with handle/vision.

this seems like the kind of prospect that can be very swingy on mocks and the kind of player that sharps might have a big edge on advanced evals.

don't have a good read on his defense, but based on how his 3 pt shot develops he could be super valuable or super meh. if whoever drafts him decides to make him a non 3pt shooting 4 then lol gg.

He's very rexy, can't see him ever being good at defense. So, he better develop a shot as a big.

Sullinger seems like a decent comp, just comparing stat sheets

i was thinking marcus morris as a comp, not sure how good of a take that is...

aaron gordon is sort of a good case study for future players like this, cuz his 3pt% is still hot garbage and theyre just starting to actually play him at the 4

That might be a better comp, but MarMo was a non-zero playmaker in college. Collins doesn't have any assists.

yeah tough to read these cuz i dont have a shot chart, he seems like a black hole.

the question is, can you take the 70% ft percentage (and climbing, last year 69% this year 74%) and translate that into a competent three point shooter years down the road, cuz suddenly that makes him pretty valuable even if he doesnt have a lot of defensive versatility.

FT% is a decent but very swongy predictor of future 3PT%. so it's a decent proxy, but not something you can take to the bank.

AGo's NBA 3pt shot predictablity was a little less difficult than other college bigs, given his college ft% was so outlierly bad