seems not so much like a 'stretch' as just a mis-categorization (imo)

* He's a huge dog to be the type of offensive player that Harden is - very few players ever get to that level. Probably not going to be the elite shooter and creator that Harden is.

* He's not really the same player type imo. He's two inches taller, longer, and a better raw athlete than Harden.

* Seems like he cares on defense a ton and could be a + defender from nearly day one in the NBA, with ++ potential as a wing defender in his prime.

I'd think his high end is more like a Kiwi or a Paul George - not a mega-elite creator, but a good/decent creator, good shooter, great athlete and great, versatile wing defender. That's the high-end outcome for winslow.

Update 13 games in - Winslow is still at 39% 3PT shooting and 60% FT shooting. Numbers haven't budged. Winslow's actually been super consistent, hitting at least one three pointer in all 13 duke games so far this year.

The FT thing is a mild worry, but if the biggest downside to a player is '60% FT shooter' that player is probably really ****ing good. Liking him more and more as a prospect. Him turning into a Kiwi/Paul George type is a real possibility.

I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts about Quinn Cook. He seems like he could be a early-second round type who ends up being a reasonably valuable piece. Garden-variety 6'2 guard who can shoot pretty well and can mostly defend. He's a reasonably good passer and playmaker, but not elite. Not gonna ever be a starting NBA PG. But I can see him playing efficient ball off the bench and bringing some value. Age is a downside.

Don't think he can make an NBA team. I doubt hes 6'2. Hes become a solid shooter, but meh, not much else there.

he's definitely a longish-shot, but the homer in me thinks he might be able to. Duke's had a lot of those 4-year guards who end up having some sort of NBA careers. Chris Duhon, Dahntay Jones, etc. Even guys like Daniel Ewing and Nolan Smith had a year or two in the league.

It's probably realistic to expect him to bounce around for a few years on the thin edge of the NBA and euro/d-leagues.

Anybody had a chance to watch Miles Turner much? I've only seen part of one game with him in it.

turner has such a sexy mould of legit shotblocking and shooting. 38% from 3 and 90% on fts make it seems like his shooting is legit, also shooting well on 2pt jumpers. form looks really good. only thing is he seems more of a cbb center than pf at this pt, might have some mobility issues in the nba since he doesn't seem very explosive, and has struggled vs legit size a bit

dx made a vid of his matchup v kentucky:

Turner reminds me of Channing Frye

good comp imo. seems like a better shotblocker but otherwise it's easy to imagine him with that kind of nba role. he seems to have the height/length to play some center in the nba but def needs more bulk

all his comps using comparison tools (vjls, statsheet) mostly return pure bigmen, just a rare combo of shooting and rim protection

I think he compares more to a Jimmy Butler, but I don't know that he is quite quick enough to guard 2s in the NBA. I think he compares quite favorably to guys like Derozan, Iggy, Caron Butler, and Brewer though. He hasn't had to play great teams yet, but his stats are pretty in line with those guys in their last college seasons thus far (outside FT%). While Jimmy and Demar carried more average teams the other 3 guys were also on stacked teams like Duke so I think its a fair comparison.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/com...sive_pct#chart

he's been not so good against real teams though

from before the game saturday against texas tech and courtesy of luke winn

Opponent Rank	Kenpom Top 75	Outside Top 100
Opponents	5 (UK, Iowa, Cal, Uconn, Stanford)	8 (most recent: Rice, LBSU)
Minute %	50.0%	54.1%
ORTG	104.1	137.4
USG	18.9%	26.9%
Oreb/40	0.8	3.9
Dreb/40	11.2	9.2
Fouls/40	7.6	3.2

yeah interesting, he def seems overwhelmed in the uk vid and i guess it's the same story vs other good teams, i think that's why he's a good but not great prospect at this pt

tall guys who can shoot will always have prospect value. why does everyone love this kid mario hezonja? seems like a cancer from all the reports from everyone

anyone else secretly worried about okafor's lack of athleticism in the NBA?

I think Mudiay > Okafor

Nope. Not even in the slightest. He's a great player and will be a great player. He would have to be historically unathletic for me to care about this and he isn't.

hope you're right but for now I am unconvinced

hasn't okafor drawn quite a few comparisons to Tim Duncan? iirc TD was never athletic, yet he's clearly become one of the GOAT PF

Duncans value comes from his defense ,how is Okafor's?.

Doesn't look too good but also hard to say bc his team is undefeated and he's never really had to try.

Duncan averaged 5.0 blocks per40 as a freshman. despite having like a 7'6" wingspan, Okafor is averaging 2.3 so far.

i really don't understand how someone with Okafor's reach can't block more shots than that in the NCAA, like he shouldn't even really need to jump that high.

idk if mudiay is that dope of a prospect, top 2 seems unlikely to me:
- can't shoot
- seems dumb, couldn't get academically eligible for ncaa
- idk if his athleticism is at a sicko level to make up for other stuff
- quite easy to put up huge stats in china (shamsports links: one two). cliffs being: 48min games, no d, fast pace. smush parker apparently led his team to a rang so...
- his stats (link) aren't that great when you compare to the other imports

He certainly looks explosive and like an elite athlete in videos

Being dumb and not able to get academically eligible for ncaa didn't stop Derek Rose being pretty good

yeah it remains to be seen if he's on the rose/wall/rwb athletic level, he does look super fast but it's tough to assess it almost since all his games have been in kind of no-defense envronments (aau + cba). the info out there paints him as pretty unpolished (shooting/turnovers/decision making/defensive acumen), scouting reports make him sound like tony wroten more than anyone actually good

i'd guess he ends up like a 5-10th pick, guys like winslow and johnson are going to be looked at as safer options imo

yeah im fairly certain towns is going #1 or will deserve to go #1 based on zero tape, like not even youtube videos

gimme the non-murcan, obvious have massive WIM to have overcome being black in not-murca and not being a child of an athlete