Ima hold off on opinions until I watch a few games this year.

i'd like to watch him a bunch before jumping fully on the bandwagon myself. think people are underrating the ability of a 19 y/o with elite WIM to improve though.

we don't have evidence that would indicate he's a lock bad shooter in the future, obv he's bad now are you being a dumbass on purpose... 18yos often improve obviously and the indicators aren't all horrible

can randle play sf in the nba? he really looks to have a pretty solid skill base in this highlight vid (ballhandling/passing/shooting) and seems athletic enough. he does seem slightly undersized (height = 6'9 wingspan = 6'11) for an nba 4

this is really random but he reminds me of Darius Miles for some reason

He'd have the best handle is CBB or thereabouts if this was accurate.

If we were talking about him as the 15th pick, or even like the 10, I wouldn't be as harsh. But we're talking top 4 in a very hyped draft, so yeah I'm going to play the skeptic. Of course he CAN get better, but if I'm guilty of doubting I would say many itt are at least as much or more guilty of assuming improvements which are actually somewhat uncommon. He doesn't need to avoid be a bad shooter to justify that high a pick, he has to be an actively good shooter, or be an above average offense creating PG (better than say Jrue Holiday) or be a D Wade level freak. Those are all obviously possibilities, none (especially the last) are high probabilities.

yeah i'm not slotting him into the top 5, more saying that i think he's a solidly good prospect at this pt, depends lots of unknowns as to where that lands him in terms of draft position obv

anyway appraising his shooting, i think the general consensus of scouts is that shooting is an area he needs to improve, but his shot is also not busted. so basically who knows, but imo he's not so bad that you can give him a drastically low % of becoming a 'solid' shooter

as far as how his other skills will translate, he obv has a weird profile and some interesting strengths and weaknesses. i think the confidence in him as a prospect is probably heavily based on intangibles/wim as much as his skillset/tools, with the implication that he'll work hard to overcome his weaknesses. imo that's a justifiable call to make on a 19yo iyam, esp one that has been productive despite his warts. but it is always hard to get high on these guys who don't fit an established mold, so like dean said i get why people would be pretty reserved about him while personally feeling reasonably confident he'll turn out ok




wiggy: bigger vince carter?
i think his shooting/general coordination seems good, quickness/fluidity/explosiveness off the charts, esp for his size. passing/handle kinda underdeveloped but nothing that couldn't be fixed either. possible wim issues? i could see him being good and disappointing in the same ways vince was in the nba

Can anyone explain to me why Parker is 7 on DE?

Vince/Tmac are good comparisons to Wiggins.

slow fat mormon

Because no one really knows right now. He is #2 on nbadraft.net. Also DE has James Young as #23 in 2015. Lol no. Nbadraft.net has him as #7 2014 which is a lot closer.

AJ Hammons probably a top 5 pick in 2015

Not elite athleticism by nba standards is the most common knock.

jabari is such an obvious superstud, i'd say he's ~90% to have a better nba career than wiggins the fraud

wiggy didn't dominate but he's clearly on another level athletically. everything he did today looked very very easy

yeah, he/they didn't really force anything, showed some maturity

seemed like the other team was concentrating on shutting him down, so they just rolled with it and moved the ball to the guys who were open

he still led the team in scoring, but it all seemed very easy and natural

Wiggins will play against some pretty inferior competition in the Big12. I expect him to really look great at times during the season.

i got us thinking mcw wouldnt be good as a big old lolboheim

it seems like you frequently think guys are undersized when they arent. i cant pick out instances (harrison barnes i think) but I have some vague recollectioms of you miscorrectly making up your mind anout someones size.

smart is big for a PG

Pistons working themselves back into the top 8 discussion. I like.

Why are you guys talking about Smart like hes a Wing? He's not a wing. He always plays PG. he doesnt have a handle to be a NBA PG yet? Who does at 19? Just bizarre channels this convo has gone down.

Are you guys watching games where he plays PG all the time? He should be projected as a NBA PG. And size is prob one of his assets. That said, not a huge fan

I like this assessment of Smart from DE

Cvigg I tend to read those reports the same way one should read real estate listings. "Not the fastest but..." should be concerning. Is it possible he develops into a top level player? Sure. Guys like Felton, Billups, Miller, Vasquez have all succeeded with somewhat similar characteristics to varying degrees in recent years. In fact Billups is a reasonable comparison, as Chauncey would have been scouted very similarly coming out (same conference even). Before you say "that's great!" Chauncey was bad for about 3 years and bounced around before finally finding his niche (and adding 3 pt range).

And it's all relative anyway, you draft him at 10, it's an awesome gamble. 3rd or 4th as what's being talked about? I'm not sure I want a tweener guard who maybe can't shoot and who's primary nba skill is WIM.