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03-13-2015 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ec_outlaw
I guess I just feel he never should've been suspended until he was charged with something, or it appeared likely he would be charged. Taking away a man's livelihood based on an accusation of an ex is a little harsh imo. I mean, they suspended him based on a restraining order being granted. I've never had one issued against me, or tried to get one on someone else, but isn't a restraining order pretty easy to get? And basically is just a judge saying "yeah, you two need to stay away from each other while this gets sorted out"?

As far as letting him race while it goes to court......I'm fine with it in this situation. The way I look at it is this: if he's found guilty of something and they suspend him for a year, that's the same penalty whether it happens before the season, or after the 4th race. A year is a year. But if they suspend him immediately and he's cleared of everything, there's no getting those missed races back. Does that make any sense? The words aren't going down the way they appear in my head.
Exactly this. You've got it right.
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03-14-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ec_outlaw
I guess I just feel he never should've been suspended until he was charged with something, or it appeared likely he would be charged. Taking away a man's livelihood based on an accusation of an ex is a little harsh imo. I mean, they suspended him based on a restraining order being granted. I've never had one issued against me, or tried to get one on someone else, but isn't a restraining order pretty easy to get? And basically is just a judge saying "yeah, you two need to stay away from each other while this gets sorted out"?

As far as letting him race while it goes to court......I'm fine with it in this situation. The way I look at it is this: if he's found guilty of something and they suspend him for a year, that's the same penalty whether it happens before the season, or after the 4th race. A year is a year. But if they suspend him immediately and he's cleared of everything, there's no getting those missed races back. Does that make any sense? The words aren't going down the way they appear in my head.
Well I'm inclined to agree with you... at least partially.

I'm not sold that there's no shred of truth to her allegations, given her character and Kurt's past tendencies to fly off the handle. I'm not saying he did, but Driscoll not being able to prove it in a court of law doesn't clear him from any possible wrong doing. All that means to me, is she lacked the evidence to bring charges, which imo is very reasonable considering the standard of proof. She would have needed something really strong like a video or witnesses and some kind of damning physical evidence for charges to be brought, which imo wasn't very likely considering they were inside his hauler with nobody around. I'm prone to give her the benefit of the doubt, taking into account Kurt's past transgressions.

It also doesn't make him exempt from any punishment by NASCAR if they are privy to information or have past incidents with said driver, they follow their own personal conduct policies.

Yes it's relatively easy to procure a temporary restraining order. It doesn't prove anything either way. You have to be able to convince a judge that your in some kind of danger by providing specifics, and then they either grant or deny your request for protection. It's not just "hey stay away from each other" though, it's hey if you come within 100 yards of me I can call the police and have you arrested.

It's a tough spot for NASCAR to be put into with public pressure against domestic violence, the threat of losing part of their female viewership, and being worried about their brand and sponsorships if they continued to let him drive into a new season. It's almost as soon as it makes it into the media your screwed from that standpoint. But, I do agree the right thing to do would have been for NASCAR to not suspend him indefinitely until charges were brought.

Unfortunately for Kurt he has a checkered past that doesn't do him any favors against allegations like these, and he missed some races because of NASCAR. He should be okay though, even if she wins in a civil case, I don't think it will have much effect down the line if he's trying to find a ride.
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03-14-2015 , 06:43 PM
I'm pretty sure the ladies who watch NASCAR think his ex is a pussy for not being able to take a little abuse.
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03-14-2015 , 10:38 PM
C,

Thanks for that deep insight.


Brandoncla,

I agree Nascar was put in a tough spot. If not for the domestic issues and mishandling in the NFL this year, I don't think Busch ever gets suspended without charges being brought up. Like you said, based on info that's been made public it makes sense no charges were filed. Hard to do much with a he said, she said with no physical evidence. It sucks for the accuser if things did go down like she said. But I don't think much else can be done without some kind of proof. Innocent till proven guilty and all.

Enough of that. I'm looking forward to another dominant win by Harvick tomorrow. There's been 5 Phoenix races since I moved out here. I went to 1. Harvick has won the other 4. As a Harvick fan, I can't risk jinxing him by going this weekend.
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03-14-2015 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ec_outlaw
I agree Nascar was put in a tough spot. If not for the domestic issues and mishandling in the NFL this year, I don't think Busch ever gets suspended without charges being brought up. Like you said, based on info that's been made public it makes sense no charges were filed. Hard to do much with a he said, she said with no physical evidence. It sucks for the accuser if things did go down like she said. But I don't think much else can be done without some kind of proof. Innocent till proven guilty and all.

Enough of that. I'm looking forward to another dominant win by Harvick tomorrow. There's been 5 Phoenix races since I moved out here. I went to 1. Harvick has won the other 4. As a Harvick fan, I can't risk jinxing him by going this weekend.
Yeah if not for the recent incidents in other sports, they 90%+ never jump out infront of it before he's formally charged. And, yeah nothing else should be done to Kurt at this point imo.


Harvick might lead ALL THE LAPS tomorrow, not even joking, he's been that FAST (just like last year). Not rooting for him though, my stock is in the 24 for fantasy purposes, and I need to make up ground so have to do something different.
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03-14-2015 , 11:58 PM
Some dork will stay out on a green flag cycle of pit stops to lead a lap and Harvick will lead the rest.
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03-15-2015 , 12:13 AM
Newman has flat track chops. It could happen. I also thought truex might do something, he's my dark horse.

Harvick gonna rape though obv.
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03-15-2015 , 12:15 AM
Truex has been strong every race so far, right? I agree, he'll probably be in the mix again tomorrow. Hoping for a good race.
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03-15-2015 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
Some dork will stay out on a green flag cycle of pit stops to lead a lap and Harvick will lead the rest.
Haha yeah, seems like everyone has that bonus point on their to do list.
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03-15-2015 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by crashjr
Newman has flat track chops. It could happen. I also thought truex might do something, he's my dark horse.

Harvick gonna rape though obv.
Deciding on Edwards, Truex, and McMurray right now... can only pick of 2 of them.

Leaning Truex and McMurray to save an allocation idk feels like a toss up. I know Truex will be a very popular pick, he's #1 in the B-list of drivers.
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03-15-2015 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by brandoncla
Haha yeah, seems like everyone has that bonus point on their to do list.
I really should know this, but do they still give bonus points for leading a lap, and the most laps? Or did that go out with the most recent points changes?

Edit: never mind. I see they still do.
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03-15-2015 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
Some dork will stay out on a green flag cycle of pit stops to lead a lap and Harvick will lead the rest.
Anyone remember Dave Marcis? He did this all the time back in the 90's.
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03-15-2015 , 10:55 AM
Harvick at +170 right now lol
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03-15-2015 , 10:59 AM
That's insane. I don't check the odds often, but I imagine there can't be too many instances of someone being a bigger favorite on a single race.

Still free money though.
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03-15-2015 , 11:44 AM
On logano at 9/1 for a steak dinner.

+170 is asinine.
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03-15-2015 , 01:51 PM
Damn, I used to bet NASCAR a bit a couple years ago and I remember even the races that Jimmie was basically a lock he'd be around +450. Maybe NASCAR is turning into F1.
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03-15-2015 , 02:43 PM
Maybe all this time Harvick was actually a better driver than Johnson. He just had to get in equal epuipment and get a competent pit crew. Ok, maybe not. But I'm enjoying watching it.
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03-15-2015 , 07:05 PM
So yeah, Harvick is pretty good.
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03-16-2015 , 08:04 AM
Ughhhh I wanted McMurray to clear Harvick so bad. McMurray kept it clean though. Nice work by Harvick yesterday, he was in some really dicey spots where things were stacking up and the 42 infront of him. He got buried in traffic a couple times, felt like something was going to happen, but he made it out everytime. Not even a fuel mileage sweat.

Stewart is FRUSTRATED. And, annoying they never tried to clear up the 48 wrecking the 55 into the wall on replay? confused on that one.
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03-21-2015 , 11:33 AM
Kurt Busch on pole for Sunday. It's kind of amazing how much a difference the driver makes in these cars. Regan Smith runs mid pack in this equipment, and then Kurt hops in to show the possibilities.
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03-21-2015 , 01:13 PM
Definitely a big gap in talent between the 2 of them. It's easy to say this with them sitting on the front row, but Harvick and Busch are going to be hard to beat this week.
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03-22-2015 , 06:31 PM
Harvick seems like he is toying with them

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03-22-2015 , 06:37 PM
Ugh this caution killed Harvick bad on restarts

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03-22-2015 , 06:38 PM
I was thinking the same thing.
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03-22-2015 , 06:38 PM
Wow. Never expected all these cars pitting.
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