This is false. The Busch wreck happened with 9 to go and a yellow flag was thrown as soon as the wreck started happening.

The only time they would ever consider letting them race back to the start/finish line is on the final lap when the wreck is far enough back that everyone has cleared it.

I'm sorry if my post wasn't clear. Busch wrecks first. Then on the final lap of the xfinity race there was a crash but they let them race back. After the race, the Busch injury/SAFER barrier backlash starts.

Now NASCAR is going to stop letting them race to the finish for safety reasons.

That is why I said this was Kyle Busch's fault, because if he doesn't get injured they finish the race under green not under yellow

this is not why they stopped the sprint cup race. It's been stopped like that for years now it's just stupid when it's as far back as it was. They didn't just change the rules Saturday night because busch hit a wall without a safer barrier

Good to know, although you see guys parking all different directions whatever way they want.

Very laissez faire

You should maybe watch before the race to get an idea of how packed it is?

There were A LOT of people there.

Logano probably would have won anyway, didn't look like much was brewing for it to matter much. Most of the fun was over when Allgaier blew up during the 30 lap 3 wide action.


Off to Atlanta with a little scheduling change!? NASCAR should be doing this each and every year... having the same tracks in the same order and during the chase is so awful.

Attendance has been way down in recent years. They went from ~ 180,000 to ~ 140,000 from 2011 to 2012, then they stopped publishing attendance figures. Most people think they've continued to drop a little more every year.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the grandstand Suzzer noticed was not opened for the race. If you can't sell large chunks of tickets, it's best to close down entire grandstands as you save money on salary, etc.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/roberttu...port-of-nascar

Umm thanks for the 2011 update. We all know what past attendance has been like with the economy. You didn't even watch the race did you? You just looked up NASCAR attendance on Forbes.com

I looked for attendance figures for this years race, which apparently are not possible to find because they no longer publish them. Because they keep going down. Which leads to the point of Suzzer's question regarding empty grandstands. When they are selling 40,000 to 50,000 less tickets you are surprised there are grandstands they do not open for seating?

And no, I didn't watch the race. But I know attendance has been steadily dropping for years. What was your point jumping all over Suzzer? You're a weirdo.

Any other ground breaking NASCAR stuff you want to contribute here? Attendance was down in 2011, you didn't watch the Daytona 500 but care about attendance figures, your a white knight for Suzzer and a troll, and I'm weird. Anything else? I know from history your mo is to go personal real quick.

What's your point in coming in here? Other than to take shots at the state of NASCAR.

Chill, fellas. It's actually a pretty interesting discussions considering the amount of variables in play, but there's absolutely no reason you guys should be making it personal.

And, yes suzzer there was probably an area of the bleachers closed off that were never occupied. My only suggestion was for you to watch pre-race or during the race to get an idea of how large the crowd is, not post race as people are filtering out.

Hope that doesn't discourage you from asking NASCAR questions.

You're awfully sensitive about protecting NASCAR. I'm a long time fan (watched every single race either live or recorded on lol VHS for almost 20 years) who doesn't watch much any more, but still follow the standings and roughly know what's going on.

Again, the reason the 2012 attendance figures are significant is that they had been dropping so much that NASCAR decided to stop announcing them after 2012. Most people think attendance is still dropping and that's why that article was written.

I wasn't white knighting suzzer. I was curious because he asked a valid question that you **** all over as if he asked something foolish. Then he followed up with the, "completely empty grandstand versus mostly empty with people milling about grandstand," and you **** on that too. Since I know attendance was dropping, and I know how NASCAR handles grandstands when they can't sell out a lot of tickets, I decided to check it out. Suzzer was right.

Bottom line is that NASCAR attendance and TV ratings continue to drop. Deal with it.

Edit: And by the way, any significant drop in attendance due to the economy would likely show up as an increase in TV ratings. TV ratings are also dropping.

Okay so your obviously a disgruntled ex-NASCAR fan that jumped ship.

What are you getting at? That NASCAR is gonna die off? When will this happen?

Are you the Rosco P. Coltrane of NASCAR threads?

Get a room guys.

He's completely ****ing insufferable in these threads and gets hugely butthurt when you say literally anything negative about NASCAR as if it's owned by his family or something. Just ignore him.

And I did watch part of the race because it's right down the road from me so I tend to pay attention because just about everyone else around here does, and I know ten people who camped out in the infield all weekend who confirmed that there was indeed a huge section of the grandstand that was roped off and unoccupied Sunday. You could see it during the broadcast (I confirmed with my friends because I thought it was really strange and assumed that race always sold out). I had no idea why it was unoccupied or that attendance had fallen, but the reasons you posted for just closing it off completely if you can't fill it make perfect sense.

Good call. Hi Jbrochu

Not sure what you're getting at there Boss Hog. But if you're suggesting Namath12 is also my account, you are wrong. Mods are welcome to IP check or whatever.

Anyone here follow the Tudor Championship?

How about yall leave the bickering bs to Other threads. Daytona has actually closed off the same section of the grandstands for several Years now. Talladega does as well. Fact is attendance is down across the board and has been for a while. There is some tracks where this isn't the case but for the majority of them it is.

racing at the same track twice other than the big ones, dega, daytona, bristol needs to Stop. There are plenty of other tracks the xfinity series runs at that sprint cups needs to go to. Those races would sell out in a heart beat. Iowa speedway would definetely be something sprint cup needs to go to. They also need to add a few more road tracks and add a road track to the chase

I would love to see Rockingham, North Wilkesboro, and more road course races (including the tracks at Montreal and Mexico DF if at all possible).

Unfortunately there are a lot of politics involved (Rockingham was sacrificed for another Texas race in a lawsuit, for example) and conflict of interest as NASCAR owns a lot of the tracks themself, many of which are boring intermediate tracks that might only host 1 race otherwise.

Some of us miss the days when it wasn't all plastic family friendly WWF style and they ran at places like Darlington. It used to be about drinking, fighting and fast cars.

That's all I've been trying to say.

Everyone can **** off that is making this like it's a 2 person problem. Captain denial disputing the facts and get butthurt over any NASCAR criticism is the issue.

It's an equal part your attitude and willingness to argue in response too princess.