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Rafa is the GOAT, butnahhhhh or maybe?

View Poll Results: Who will end up as the GOAT

Roger Federer

374 68.12%

Rafa Nadal

96 17.49%

Novak Djokovic

62 11.29%

Andy Murray

6 1.09%

Pete Sampras

2 0.36%

Roy Emerson

0 0%

Bjorn Borg

2 0.36%

Roder Laver

2 0.36%

John McEnroe

3 0.55%

Bill Tilden

2 0.36%

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01-29-2017 , 11:45 AM

#1226

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

Novak and Murray have blipped. They will still be number 1 and 2 at the end of the year most likely. Novak still favourite for the French.

Going to be a very interesting year this. I can see n1 chopping and changing.

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01-29-2017 , 11:54 AM

#1227

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Novak and Murray have blipped. They will still be number 1 and 2 at the end of the year most likely. Novak still favourite for the French.

Good chance we are in an era where there isn't dominance and we have 4 unique champions and the top players lose randomly early in slams.

Djokovic will be the favorite but the field will flatten and anyone in the top10 can get it done instead of the stretch where 90+% were 4 guys.

I think we'll see 1-2 people win their first this year.

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01-29-2017 , 03:29 PM

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01-29-2017 , 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bottomset

I think we're still a couple of years away from this. I would take the under on 2 players who haven't won a slam even making a final this year, let alone winning.

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01-29-2017 , 03:55 PM

#1230

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God damn that was fun to watch

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01-29-2017 , 03:56 PM

#1231

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nice that's nice

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01-30-2017 , 10:29 AM

#1232

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Murray Djokovic blips are basically a couple of matches each. I think people are down on them too much based on this one slam. Wouldn't be surprised if the finals of all masters series between now and the French have those two in the finals.

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01-30-2017 , 10:42 AM

#1233

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my opinion hasn't changed:

- Djoker (from 2015 through the 2016 Aussie Open) hit the highest all around peak anybody has ever hit over a sustained period
- Nadal on clay (pick a stretch of years) was the highest "court peak" ever, you could argue that was the highest level of tennis ever played
- Federer has had the highest long term peak

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01-30-2017 , 01:27 PM

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I might pick a different year for Djokovic, maybe one where Nadal and Fed were playing better and Murray was a little worse than 2015. Other than that, those three statements seem accurate (the second and third are hard to argue against, the first one is more debatable).

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01-30-2017 , 02:12 PM

#1235

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Federer ultimate peak > Djoker ultimate peak imo

I base this solely on eye test and the variety in Fed's game compared to Djoker. When Fed was on he could do things with the tennis ball that no one else could. His shot making was absolutely ridiculous. Djoker for me was more of a grinder and while he could produce amazing shots I just don't have him in the same bracket as Fed in that regard.

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01-30-2017 , 03:14 PM

#1236

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Originally Posted by Ra_Z_Boy

I agree. However Novak has been off the boil since the French. This Australian open really should have been Murrays. He's got to be absolutely sick and spewing, probably complacency that's cost him after Novak got knocked out.

Interesting enough he's fav for Wimbledon but Novak still fav for the other two.

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2011 for me. Beating Rafa in slams.

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Roger makes it look effortless as well. No chance Novak, Rafa or Andy are still at the top of the game in 5 years.

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01-30-2017 , 03:45 PM

#1237

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So tired of this "Fed's best cause he plays pretty" argument. Peak Djokovic annihilates peak Fed all day every day.
If you want to wank to Fed playing that's your business.

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01-30-2017 , 03:48 PM

#1238

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So tired of this "Fed's best cause he plays pretty" argument. Peak Djokovic annihilates peak Fed all day every day.
If you want to wank to Fed playing that's your business.

Federer is best because he's won the most over the longest time.

Your arbitrary "Peak Djoker" argument is tenuous.

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01-30-2017 , 03:53 PM

#1239

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Originally Posted by heh

Federer is best because he's won the most over the longest time.

Your arbitrary "Peak Djoker" argument is tenuous.

I wasn't making an argument, just stating my opinion.

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01-30-2017 , 03:54 PM

#1240

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As was I but you took serious issue with it. I respect your opinion. I will wank to whatever I please.

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01-30-2017 , 04:08 PM

#1241

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Originally Posted by heh

Federer is best because he's won the most over the longest time.

Your arbitrary "Peak Djoker" argument is tenuous.

well, anyone making an argument for Fed being GOAT bc he was elite for so long (which is fine, but arguable as to if that should be the criteria) needs to acknowledge Djoker has 6 more years to catch up in achievements so its not really a complete argument (yet)

as far as "highest peak" goes I think the evidence suggests that both Rafa and Djoker were better at their very best than Roger was. Djoker hit a 10 level (but not for very long to date), Rafa hit 9.5 (but not very long) while Roger hit 9 (but for a very long time). that's not eye tests, but results.

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01-30-2017 , 04:15 PM

#1242

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

So tired of this "Fed's best cause he plays pretty" argument. Peak Djokovic annihilates peak Fed all day every day.
If you want to wank to Fed playing that's your business.

If they are both playing at the top of their game in their prime Fed wins.

Rafa also beats Novak.

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01-30-2017 , 04:31 PM

#1243

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

You can only cross that bridge when you get to it.

We can argue to death about peak this and peak that, but please have a look at this list when considering Federer's career:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Roger_Federer

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01-30-2017 , 04:38 PM

#1244

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Federer has had the most accomplished tennis career of all time.

at his peak he was owned over and over again by a 22-24 year old.

these are not mutually exclusive facts.

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01-30-2017 , 04:41 PM

#1245

Giroudgeous

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That list of achievements is so so filthy

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01-30-2017 , 04:42 PM

#1246

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What are you using to measure his peak?

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01-30-2017 , 05:06 PM

#1247

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

What results are you using?

Federer's 2006 stands up to anyone else's peak year. He was ridiculous.

His 2004-2007 excellence has no rival in history of tennis for that long of a period.

Moreover, he has beaten prime Djokovic (2011 French Semi) in a big match even though he was past his prime and 6 years older than him

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01-30-2017 , 05:25 PM

#1248

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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod

as far as "highest peak" goes I think the evidence suggests that both Rafa and Djoker were better at their very best than Roger was. Djoker hit a 10 level (but not for very long to date), Rafa hit 9.5 (but not very long) while Roger hit 9 (but for a very long time). that's not eye tests, but results.

Novak and Federer met twice in Grand slams in 2015. Novak closed as a slight favorite at the us open and a slighter dog at Wimbledon. I know off the top of my head Federer was the favorite in Cincinnati that year. Not sure if they met any other times that year. Novak was 28. Federer was 34.

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01-30-2017 , 05:37 PM

#1249

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Originally Posted by CallMeIshmael

a few things:

1) Fed has aged (and will age) much better than Nadal. I'm not arguing otherwise. It's not close.

2) Neither of the examples above are really close to peak for either guy. Nadal played in 4 slams in 2015 and didn't make a single semi.

3) Federer at 28 was still very close to his peak (look at his record vs opponents other than Nadal around these years). He was far, far better than Nadal at 28