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08-02-2010 , 10:00 PM
I really love the Bruce pick. When I saw it, it was a no brainer imo.
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08-02-2010 , 10:00 PM
72, you really think MJ's only possible value is in record sales?
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08-02-2010 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
this isn't just about record sales, i think nath was pretty clear on that from the beginning...
Ok but he's massively critically acclaimed at least on his first 2 albums, both of which you see on lists of greatest albums ever made all the time. All of his albums (all of them!) shot to the top of the charts when he died. Unheard of. Everybody just completely forgot about his umm issues and you can see how popular he still is...
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08-02-2010 , 10:04 PM
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bnrocks maybe PM pick to Assani so he can start working on writeup for #5 pick. We might be able to get to me tonight if we roll on this.
I'd have to tell him Nath's as well. No issues with with I'd assume? I'll send it in a minute.

My writeup is almost done, just need to apply some pics and some youtube and it'll be ready for after Nath's.
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08-02-2010 , 10:05 PM
It's funny that no one has mentioned this yet, but Michael Jackson music is also incredible. He is not just an incredibly popular, but critically mediocre musician. His music was really good and is still really good almost 30 years later.

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08-02-2010 , 10:07 PM
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It's funny that no one has mentioned this yet, but Michael Jackson music is also incredible. He is not just an incredibly popular, but critically mediocre musician. His music was really good and is still really good almost 30 years later.

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08-02-2010 , 10:09 PM
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I'd have to tell him Nath's as well. No issues with with I'd assume? I'll send it in a minute.
Yeah, that should be fine.
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08-02-2010 , 10:09 PM
This waiting is cutting into my starcraft 2 time.
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08-02-2010 , 10:11 PM
NozeCandy, if you find out the 5 pick before the morning and haven't published your pick, can you PM me the 5-6 picks in advance. I'd like to get the writeup done before I head to work - I don't want to cause a delay.
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08-02-2010 , 10:11 PM
Needle, on a scale of 1-10 how awesome is it?
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08-02-2010 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
not to tap the glass, but i don't think MJ is necessarily some kind of uber-GOAT pick for this format. unless you build a pop-oriented studio, and surround him with at least one top notch producer you're not going to get full value for his talents.

plus his output sucks, and his pedo-ness (and overall weirdness) isn't something random that occurred due to variance. all of the freakshow re-occurs at least 9/10 times for him...
This is lol. Dude was a star from like '72 until the early 90s before the first abuse allegations were made. He is also the top selling musician in history.

Anyone who wants one will be able to get a great producer.

Basically every hip hop artist alive wants to work with him if you push his career back 20 years (so he is peaking today).

I thought he was #1 although any one of a few people is obv. ok.

I'm almost certain I know who Nath is picking.
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08-02-2010 , 10:13 PM
I got destroyed in back to back games and all I want to do is keep playing. Anyone that called a game epic before needs to take it back and only use it for SC2.
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08-02-2010 , 10:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwKzc_Zbe4w

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Bob Dylan's influence on popular music is incalculable. As a songwriter, he pioneered several different schools of pop songwriting, from confessional singer/songwriter to winding, hallucinatory, stream-of-consciousness narratives. As a vocalist, he broke down the notion that a singer must have a conventionally good voice in order to perform, thereby redefining the vocalist's role in popular music. As a musician, he sparked several genres of pop music, including electrified folk-rock and country-rock. And that just touches on the tip of his achievements.
I don't think this pick needs too much explanation. There are three people in this singer-songwriter category I considered equally worthy of the #1 pick, but in my opinion Bob Dylan is the greatest recorded singer-songwriter who ever lived. He's had a massive career spanning nearly FIFTY years, with multiple creative peaks. His songwriting is innovative and brilliant, full of hazy, surreal imagery, personal confessional lyrics, funky and innovative rhyme scheming, and influence drawn from all walks of music.

He was always one step ahead of the curve. He rose to prominence as a leading light of the folk movement, but he saw where the future was headed and moved to electric at a time when it was wildly unpopular for him to do so. He introduced some of the leading acts of the 1960s to the drugs that fueled their creative expansion of consciousness. His live performances in his younger days were among the most electric and exciting around (think the "Royal Albert Hall" performance of 1966, which I can't find on youtube but really wish I could).

His influence was felt by numerous acts of his day and beyond, some of the greatest musicians of all time, and it's a shame I can't name them. His collaborative efforts with certain groups have been among the best work of their careers. Other artists' covers of his songs have become among the most notable of their work, which speaks worlds to his abilities as a songwriter.

He had three distinct creative peaks-- a sick run in the 1960s (highlighted IMO by Blonde on Blonde and Highway 61 Revisited, both of which belong on short lists of the greatest rock records of all time) a resurgence in the mid-70s with the weary-hearted breakup album Blood on the Tracks, and then again as an old man looking back on life at the turn of the century with Time out of Mind and Love and Theft. Even when he had some strange missteps (Saved lol), he was always thinking forward, always trying to push the envelope as to what popular music could be.

Simply put, there's not a doubt in my mind that Bob Dylan is the finest songwriter who ever lived, and he was the one guy I wanted to build my studio around more than any other. The man is nearly 70 and still putting out music and touring. I can only think of one other individual who's maintained remotely that sort of popularity through the last fifty years, and I'd be shocked if he didn't go in the next two or three picks.

In fact, the only disappointing thing about him is the lack of material he has on youtube. Here's one more for the road.

Short answer: Bob Dylan is the GOAT. I got him at #3. I got the steal of the draft.
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08-02-2010 , 10:16 PM
I would have taken Dylan #1. Just gives your label instant critical credibility, plus he's super prolific and possibly the GOAT songwriter.

The top of this draft is all pretty interchangeable though.
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08-02-2010 , 10:16 PM
Makes sense. I couldn't guess who Nath was going to take but that works.
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08-02-2010 , 10:17 PM
My number one is still on the board, but I can't argue with any of these picks.
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08-02-2010 , 10:17 PM
OK I'm gonna go play SC2 and watch shark week. I'll check back in the thread in a little bit.
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08-02-2010 , 10:17 PM
Dylan should have been #2. #1 still on the board.
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08-02-2010 , 10:17 PM
I'll give Nath's pick a little time to stew.

Winning pick coming up at 10:30 EST.
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08-02-2010 , 10:19 PM
Dylan wasn't who I was expecting and wasn't in my top 3(which I think makes up the top tier), but hes still very solid value.

Also, F60, I agree that my "not first rounder" was way too harsh regarding Bruce
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08-02-2010 , 10:20 PM
doesn't seem like he wrote any of his music before "Off the Wall", where he penned 2.5/10 songs. He's credited with writing 4/9 on "Thriller" ("Wanna Be Startin' Somethin", "The Girl is Mine", "Beat It", and "Billie Jean"), and 9/11 on "Bad". Then he wrote about half of "Dangerous", then his last two albums were pretty forgettable. So yeah, his value is largely as a performer, which isn't terrible, and a bit as a writer/producer (if someone wants they can add up the songs he's written in his life, seems like ~50 maybe). does he even play an instrument (pretty sure i've seen him playing the piano, can he play a guitar or anything else?)? it's just unclear is he adds a ton as a collaborative studio musician.

like i said, it's probably a good pick if he builds his studio the right way from here on in, i was just trying to counter the "zomg draft over" type of sentiment.

Last edited by 72off; 08-02-2010 at 10:23 PM. Reason: @MJ, obv...Dylan is all of the top-5, and my clear #1
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08-02-2010 , 10:20 PM
Don't know if I would have taken Dylan at #3, but it's a solid pick.
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08-02-2010 , 10:20 PM
Ah yeah Dylan, good one. I think you convinced me he's #2 due to the songwriting aspect.
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08-02-2010 , 10:21 PM
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I got destroyed in back to back games and all I want to do is keep playing. Anyone that called a game epic before needs to take it back and only use it for SC2.
I'm running out of excuses for not having it I guess.
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08-02-2010 , 10:21 PM
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Also, F60, I agree that my "not first rounder" was way too harsh regarding Bruce
There are probably at least 50 people that are legit first rounders imo.
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