Who are you, UNDRAFTED TRAINWRECK GOLDDIGGER?

I think it's a fine pick but I personally can't stand the SLTS riff. So overplayed.

yeah I realize that, but I also think the guy could have put out just about anything and it would have sold. I think the reason to take both him and Lennon is based purely on their work with the Beatles and not on post Beatles stuff. Also just to reiterate, I still think their best solo stuff came out soon after the band was ruined by that one broad. Basically implying that their artistic ability came from their collaborations as opposed to individual brilliance. I think this also means that if they were partnered with another intelligent songwriter they would likely do really well.

The whole "undrafted broad broke up the band" thing is really overblown imo. Two much bigger causes were Brian Epstein's suicide and just the fact that they were all getting older and growing in separate directions (undrafted in particular needed room to flex his songwriting abilities that he wasn't getting with the Beatles).

I'm a huge Nirvana fan, but Kurt Cobain shouldn't be in the top 20 imo. His stuff wasn't even all that original, as it borrowed heavily from several undrafteds who probably won't get taken until much much later.

I also forgot to mention that Cobain said "the future of rock belongs to women" which will come in handy when I need him to collaborate with all of the rocker chicks I inevitably end up spewing for.

Nirvana shared writing credits afaik. I'm curious as to how much influence the others had on the music. Cobain seems to get all the credit which can't be true but I'm inclined to believe he deserves most of it.

Based on what the other two guys have done since then I think it's safe to say the real genius lies with him.

Did you ever post Meb pick? Better PM me what it is before I go to sleep anyways I'm dying to know.

undrafted clearly wrote a lot for Nirvana imo. lol actually not very much lmao. Just looked.

Yeah I'll just assume like 70% Cobain 30% other until I have reason not to.

This is true for basically all music artists though. There was obviously something about Cobain that made him such a popular figure compared to the undrafteds.

Been a while since I listened to Nirvana, I listened to them so much back in the day, too much. In Utero>>>>rest of their albums.

- one guy basically disappeared after the band ended, i think he put out some weird album playing the accordion with his Peruvian gf or whatever, and now is some kind of politician. if he had any kind of chops he probably would have found a band post-Nirvana.

- the other guy had some decent stuff, but Cobain rejected all but one of his songs ("Marigold", released as the B-side to some single). afaik Cobain didn't use any of his other material for Nirvana, he considered it to be stereo-typical grunge. but then again he sounded like a moody junkie, so...

TEENAGE ANGST HAS SERVED ME WELL
NOW I'M BORED AND OLD

The one guy had a really good debut album with his next project and then a second album with a nice collection of poppy singles, but the project fell off in quality pretty quickly after that (even as it inexplicably became more popular).

Might be the best opening lyrics to any album

agreed. i liked his work by album in order from 1st to last iirc...

holy hyperbole batman

there are 1000s of bands like this. many as good as nirvana? no. plenty as good/better than nirvana? yeah.

i'm not trying to completely discount the guy or his band, i like them a lot (despite never really listening to them anymore). in fact, i'm quite partial to heavy/distorted music that sound sorta messy but underneath lies some subtle, simple melody (say, like karp (not in anyway getting drafted obv)). but he's not particularly original or anything.

so i kinda agree with the "emo kid, right time right place". and he even admits as much and wore his influences on his sleeve. but i also think that's sort of against the spirit of the draft. Cobain is clearly a cult of personality who had a major, major impact on mainstream music. whether another guy/band would have done the same thing had it not been him is the same argument we could have about Elvis.

heh, I must be one of the few on 2p2 that likes his band.

obligatory "bleach" pretentious music snob retort

Not in the first round of this draft imo. I think plenty of others taken so far were incredibly innovative and were doing things that nobody else had tried before.

Song you linked from band I never heard of pretty damn good although singer screaming too much, the sound is great anyhow. I love the guitar sound on In Utero.

heh, I assume we get these guys after they've been influenced to a certain degree. In some ways thats how this draft is a bit weird for me. Like, we are suppose to assume that their style of music is acceptable to the masses, correct? Sort of like, every music style is accepted in a vacuum, and thats how we analyze them.


If SarcasticRat wants a alt rock label, Cobain is a pretty awesome pick imo. Might be some better, but he was a good mix of moody and angst and while he hated the press, the press and the masses loved him. Add to this his ability to write aggressive and catchy songs, its a good pick for that label. Its sort of like the Jay-z pick minus the ability to remain relevant for so long. I don't think Cobain and Nirvana had that in them.

95%+ of material released was Cobain. Undrafted came up with the start to Scentless Apprentice and Cobain called it bone headed but said he liked it and thats about as much credit as I remember anyone else in the band getting for that album.

Remember him being frustrated that other members weren't able to contribute at the level he wanted during the creative process and towards end of career he said he only wanted to work with one other person who I don't think will be drafted but I probably shouldn't mention anyways.

I may need to go back and look at exactly how studio will work, but biggest problem with Cobain is he would be wanting really obscure oddity types to work with and would be difficult if he didn't get them.

Opposed to a MJ/Mcartney/JAy Z who are more obsessive perfectionists types and would tend get much more out of people they worked with.