The MMA Thread

[Clovis8]

Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel

You don't see a problem with him saying "I don't give a **** about the fans" on twitter?

I think you are missing the context of that statement. He basically forgot the question mark at the end. The guy he was responding too was accusing him of not caring and he was saying "I dont care? **** you!"

I think Dana White is a great promoter and he clearly cares about the fans. I wish they would treat the fighters better than slaves but overall he is very good.

Silva is an embarrassment. It was funny at first to see him taunt Maia for not engaging but then he did the exact same thing for 3 rounds. It was the most hypocritical and unsportsmanlike thing I have ever seen. Silva went WAY down the list of best fighters imo.

[pokeriseasy]

Originally Posted by DannyOcean_

nah, it's pretty much a computational score based on strikes landed afaik.

Mostly I was highlighting how absurd the 50-45 was. I think 48-47 either way would have been good.

I really don't see how the 50-45 is absurd. There was no round Penn clearly won. Any round that you can give to BJ it was close, and since it was close it means you can give it to Edgar. Do I think it was 5-0 for Edgar, no, but the only round I can say with confidence I gave to BJ is the 1st round but even that was a competitive round, the 2nd round was a tossup from there on out I though Edgar won.

At some point during the 1st round the fight began to remind of the Dominick Cruz/Brian Bowles fight. One guy ducking in and out mixing up his angles and the other just standing in the middle of the ring trying to counter punch. Of course Penn was far more succesful than Bowles who was essentially just a punching bag in that fight.

I'm really surprised Penn didn't press the action more and never attempted a takedown. The one thing that comes from Penn losing is it makes the LW division a lot more interesting. I think now Florian should get a title shot against Edgar and Penn shold fight Maynard with the winner getting the next title shot. Also Penn's aura of invicibility is gone, which should make his future fights more competitive.

[C-Viggity]

I'd really love to see nothing more than someone beating Anderson Silva til a ref has to drag him off. I know this will probably never happen but it's be worth every penny of $50

[Debo9]

Originally Posted by C-Viggity

I'd really love to see nothing more than someone beating Anderson Silva til a ref has to drag him off. I know this will probably never happen but it's be worth every penny of $50

as much as i love the **** talk/actions, he needs to finish those types of fights. embarrass the guy for a round or two, then go in and get the kill. fans would love you, you'd be the modern day ali.

if not, let him do his little antics and get KTFO'd during it

[DannyOcean_]

Originally Posted by pokeriseasy

I really don't see how the 50-45 is absurd. There was no round Penn clearly won. Any round that you can give to BJ it was close, and since it was close it means you can give it to Edgar. Do I think it was 5-0 for Edgar, no, but the only round I can say with confidence I gave to BJ is the 1st round but even that was a competitive round, the 2nd round was a tossup from there on out I though Edgar won.

At some point during the 1st round the fight began to remind of the Dominick Cruz/Brian Bowles fight. One guy ducking in and out mixing up his angles and the other just standing in the middle of the ring trying to counter punch. Of course Penn was far more succesful than Bowles who was essentially just a punching bag in that fight.

I'm really surprised Penn didn't press the action more and never attempted a takedown. The one thing that comes from Penn losing is it makes the LW division a lot more interesting. I think now Florian should get a title shot against Edgar and Penn shold fight Maynard with the winner getting the next title shot. Also Penn's aura of invicibility is gone, which should make his future fights more competitive.

This is absurd

Penn dominated the first two rounds, and you really aren't watching very closely or you don't know what you're talking about if you don't think Penn easily outlanded Edgar the first two rounds.

Edgar had a lot more bouncing in the first two rounds, and BJ hit him in the face a lot more. BJ clearly won both rounds.

Edgar landed 5 of 29 punches to the head in round 1. BJ landed 16 of 39. BJ threw more, landed more, and landed at a higher percentage.

Edgar landed 6 total strikes in the second round. He was 6/44, and only four shots to the head connected. Penn landed 17/49 strikes in that round. Once again, Penn threw more, landed more, and landed at a higher percentage. How exactly was it a 'tossup'?

Watch the fight without commentary and really actually watch to see which punches land. BJ clearly won the first two rounds.

Originally Posted by DannyOcean_

This is absurd

Penn dominated the first two rounds, and you really aren't watching very closely or you don't know what you're talking about if you don't think Penn easily outlanded Edgar the first two rounds.

Edgar had a lot more bouncing in the first two rounds, and BJ hit him in the face a lot more. BJ clearly won both rounds.

Edgar landed 5 of 29 punches to the head in round 1. BJ landed 16 of 39. BJ threw more, landed more, and landed at a higher percentage.

Edgar landed 6 total strikes in the second round. He was 6/44, and only four shots to the head connected. Penn landed 17/49 strikes in that round. Once again, Penn threw more, landed more, and landed at a higher percentage. How exactly was it a 'tossup'?

Watch the fight without commentary and really actually watch to see which punches land. BJ clearly won the first two rounds.

I was going to make a post like this. 50-45 and 49-46 are just absurd.

[$kill Game]

^Absolutely agree. People watching it live probably thought the first 2 rounds could go to edgar because most people expected penn to just dominate him every round.

[martymc1]

i watched this live yesterday and was disgusted by silva's daft antics and doubt ive seen anything as disrespectful yet in a fight.

was shocked at the loss of BJ by a guy that normally would get hammered, edgar would make a good dancer but he is not worthy of beating BJ Penn IMO.

i thought matt hughes's fight was boring as hell but still the best fight out the 3 main bouts (says a lot about the other 2 imo).




has penn given a silly excuse yet for his loss? (too warm? or some kind of infection?)

[GTBMuckface]

"I'd rather have somebody say, 'Let's not buy the Anderson Silva fight tonight because he knocks people out in two minutes,' rather than, 'He runs around like a jackass for five rounds,'" White said.

[Assani Fisher]

What is Silva's contract situation? Any chance him and UFC part ways? If so would the organization that has Fedor(forget their name) be interested in him? Being able to legitimately boast "we have the top 2 fighters in the world" would have to get them some more attention. Could Silva actually take on Fedor or is he simply too small and would get killed?

[Clovis8]

Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

What is Silva's contract situation? Any chance him and UFC part ways? If so would the organization that has Fedor(forget their name) be interested in him? Being able to legitimately boast "we have the top 2 fighters in the world" would have to get them some more attention. Could Silva actually take on Fedor or is he simply too small and would get killed?

I am pretty sure he has one more fight in his UFC contract. I really doubt he fights for Strikeforce as he has claimed he wants to retire and be a trainer in Brazil.

The talk of him fighting a heavyweight is lol. He would get killed by Fedor or Lesner. You cant overcome a 70lb difference. It would be like UFC fights in the early days.

[bottomset]

Originally Posted by C-Viggity

I'd really love to see nothing more than someone beating Anderson Silva til a ref has to drag him off. I know this will probably never happen but it's be worth every penny of $50

I'd settle for him doing the same thing he did this fight but with 1minute left he gets caught in another flying leg scissor heel hook

[pokeriseasy]

Originally Posted by DannyOcean_

This is absurd

Penn dominated the first two rounds, and you really aren't watching very closely or you don't know what you're talking about if you don't think Penn easily outlanded Edgar the first two rounds.

Edgar had a lot more bouncing in the first two rounds, and BJ hit him in the face a lot more. BJ clearly won both rounds.

Edgar landed 5 of 29 punches to the head in round 1. BJ landed 16 of 39. BJ threw more, landed more, and landed at a higher percentage.

Edgar landed 6 total strikes in the second round. He was 6/44, and only four shots to the head connected. Penn landed 17/49 strikes in that round. Once again, Penn threw more, landed more, and landed at a higher percentage. How exactly was it a 'tossup'?

Watch the fight without commentary and really actually watch to see which punches land. BJ clearly won the first two rounds.

Those are fightmetric #s, compustrike #s tell a different story. I know looking at physical damage means nothing (Chael Sonnen vs. Nate Marquardt for example) but we all know BJ Penn doesn't bruise very easily and everybddy will universally agree that BJ hits harder then Edgar, but if he hits harder and landed 10 more punches to the face in the 1st round why did BJ Penn's face look worse than Edgar's? I think the compustrike #s were BS, and anybody who thinks BJ dominated the 1st round wasn't even watching the same fight I saw. Edgar was more agressive, dictated the pace and clearly did more damage to BJ then BJ did to him despite the supposed strike landing advantage that fightmetric shows.

I just think it's amazing that people can think BJ won the fight (although you aren't one of the) despite the body language the 2 fighters showed at the end of the fight, BJ looking totally dejected and resigned to his fight while Edgar was ecstatic knowing he had just won the fight. It looked exactly how Machida and Shogun looked after their fight.

And spare me the "watch the fight without commentary" crap, half the time I'm making fun of the commentary or correcting what they said in any sport I watch, I'm not an easily influenced person.

[DannyOcean_]

Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

What is Silva's contract situation? Any chance him and UFC part ways? If so would the organization that has Fedor(forget their name) be interested in him? Being able to legitimately boast "we have the top 2 fighters in the world" would have to get them some more attention. Could Silva actually take on Fedor or is he simply too small and would get killed?

Originally Posted by Clovis8

I am pretty sure he has one more fight in his UFC contract. I really doubt he fights for Strikeforce as he has claimed he wants to retire and be a trainer in Brazil.

The talk of him fighting a heavyweight is lol. He would get killed by Fedor or Lesner. You cant overcome a 70lb difference. It would be like UFC fights in the early days.

Several thoughts

Silva just signed an extension and has 6-7 fights left with the UFC

Silva would have a 10-15ish pound weight disadvantage against Fedor, not a 70 pound one.

Also, Clovis, you realize the 'early days' showcased how easy it could be for a skilled opponent to beat down a larger fighter?

[DannyOcean_]

Originally Posted by pokeriseasy

Those are fightmetric #s, compustrike #s tell a different story. I know looking at physical damage means nothing (Chael Sonnen vs. Nate Marquardt for example) but we all know BJ Penn doesn't bruise very easily and everybddy will universally agree that BJ hits harder then Edgar, but if he hits harder and landed 10 more punches to the face in the 1st round why did BJ Penn's face look worse than Edgar's? I think the compustrike #s were BS, and anybody who thinks BJ dominated the 1st round wasn't even watching the same fight I saw. Edgar was more agressive, dictated the pace and clearly did more damage to BJ then BJ did to him despite the supposed strike landing advantage that fightmetric shows.

I just think it's amazing that people can think BJ won the fight (although you aren't one of the) despite the body language the 2 fighters showed at the end of the fight, BJ looking totally dejected and resigned to his fight while Edgar was ecstatic knowing he had just won the fight. It looked exactly how Machida and Shogun looked after their fight.

And spare me the "watch the fight without commentary" crap, half the time I'm making fun of the commentary or correcting what they said in any sport I watch, I'm not an easily influenced person.

The compustrike numbers are closer, but still have BJ winning the first two rounds. BJ was peppering Edgar and most of Edgar's shots in the early rounds were glancing or missing. BJ landed the more effective strikes as well, which facial abrasions are not an indicator of. He punished Edgar in the clinch when Frankie shot in or he slipped and countered nicely. BJ was slipping a lot of shots early and was not getting hit as much as you seem to think he was. Just because Edgar was bobbing around like a jackrabbit doesn't mean he was dictating during those rounds. He didn't dictate until the 3rd or 4th round.