I couldn't seem to find it but his ceremony when he got his yellow belt is on video somewhere on the internet it's actually pretty cool.

Well 2 of those 3 wins are against guys who have fought and won in the two biggest organizations in this brief history of MMA. Of course neither guy was ever that great but the fact that in his 2nd and 3rd career fights he stopped veterans who made it to the big show shows that he wasn't fighting guys that had no skills. Still my point was comparing a hockey player going to the NHL straight from a rec league to what Kimbo did is a terrible analogy. Because Kimbo fought in a smaller organization and won.

tank abbott and james thompson have no skills. and he didn't stop thompson, who basically makes a living by getting knocked out at this point.

Saying Silva would be 80%+ against everyone but Brock and Fedor is madness.

Carwin would grind him into dirt. Silva isn't unbeatable. Silva can be taken down, has been taken down by numerous fighters. If anyone bigger than him at LHW or HW got on top of him and could GNP him, he'd be in serious trouble. I'd take Carwin over Silva easily. Carwin would eat a few punches to get inside, dump him on his head easily, and beat the **** out of him until he woke up staring at the ceiling. Silva would be an underdog to able to avoid Carwin's takedowns and a huge, massive underdog to be able to do anything at all if Carwin was on top of him.

Silva's obviously far and away the best MW in the world. He's a very good LHW, and could contend for that title. But he wouldn't be 80% over the best guys at LHW. And at HW there are a number of people who would be favored over him, especially given the influx of power wrestlers into the division.

Also, I think Koscheck beats Daley about 80% in a rematch, maybe just a shade higher than that. Daley couldn't stop the takedowns, even though he fought them hard. Koscheck took almost zero damage that fight standing, where Daley only landed 8 strikes. And Daley showed zero ability to get off his back against Kos.

All Kos would have to do is win two rounds that way, which he'd be a massive favorite to do. Even if Daley could improbably stuff him for an entire round, I don't think he KO's Josh a very large percentage of the time. He'd be far too cautious with his strikes because he'd be avoiding the takedown, and he'd win the round standing, but not KO Koscheck.

Are you even being serious? You can't really think Silva would be a favorite over Shane Carwin can you? Carwin would win via vicious ground and pound. Cain would maul Silva in a similar fashion. JDS would be interesting as would a fight with Mir, but the other top 3 HWs in the UFC would be enormous favorites over Silva due to their strength and Silva's weakness.

Half those teeth would be gone if he fought Carwin.

LOL Silva would be an underdog against at least 6 heavyweights in the world. I think he would be a favorite against Mir, but not a huge one.

He also received his black belt in boring-jitsu before his last 2 fights.

Carwin is way too slow in the standup for Silva, and Silva's strikes are way too accurate and effective for Carwin to just "eat a few shots as he shoots in". Plus its being totally ignored that Silva would be able to bulk up(I'm assuming a climb to HW would only occur after he already entered the LHW division). Silva's guard is effective enough to stall out a guy like Carwin until the end of the round, and if Carwin takes too many chances Silva could easily get a submission.

btw I'm gonna have really good seats for Carwin/Lesnar....pretty excited, will be my first UFC event

This is ludicrous. You're overrating Silva to a ridiculous extreme. Carwin would grab onto Silva and dump him on his head easily. Silva would be a clear dog to avoid takedowns. And Silva absolutely could not handle Carwin on top of him. Silva's guard would be obliterated by a guy who is 270ish pounds of pure muscle with size 5XL fists, who is also highly skilled and who trains with a very good camp and who has several submission wins.

I'll bet you any amount of money up to my net worth on Carwin at even odds on off chance the fight ever happens. Deal?

How can I overrate a guy who has simply dominated every single opponent he has faced in the UFC? Carwin would just "grab onto Silva" and then "dump him on his head"???? What about Silva's reach advantage coupled with his pinpoint striking accuracy? Nobody can just "grab onto Silva" easily. His strikes are way way too effective and opponents must show those strikes a ton of respect.

Its clear that I'm in the minority here, so no I won't accept that bet because I could get much better odds at a sportsbook.

Oh and:

I mean, Silva makes people in his own weightclass look like they are fighting in slow motion. Against Maia, he literally stood 2 feet in front of him and completely dropped his hands down to his sides, daring Maia to try to hit him. If hes that much quicker than those guys, htf is a 270 lb guy gonna just "grab onto him"? Guys like Carwin/Brock may be quick and nimble compared to other HWs, but Silva is just completely on a different planet speed wise.

Silva would have flashbacks of Ryo Chonan.

You can't keep a fight standing with quickness alone. You need TDD. Against a guy with a 60-70 lb advantage TDD basically doesn't exist unless you have elite wrestling. Silva doesn't.

Silva has been taken down numerous times in his career. By good wrestlers and by mediocre wrestlers.

Carwin is 10x a better wrestler than anyone Silva has ever faced, considering the size difference.

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Silva would be dumped on his head. Go back to your oats dude. Carwin could indeed grab onto Silva easily. You're acting like Silva's right hand is a nuclear ****ing guided missile. It's a fist. It can miss and he hasn't exactly been on a KO spree. Maia spent a good deal of their fight lunging at him wildly and he didn't KO Maia. And if he didn't KO Carwin extremely quickly, he would be on his ass.

Go back to your oats dude.

silva would have a way better chance against fedor than carwin or lesnar imo

I really get the feeling Assani has never done anything remotely involving wrestling. If he so much as grabs an arm Silva's going down.

Agreed.

At least this matches AF's belief that the weight-class is stupid. I think you really underestimate how great an advantage weight can give...

I know someone who has actual pro training can give a much better anecdote but back in HS, we had a wrestling/grappling club and despite having insanely unintelligent/unskilled people, it was really hard overcoming 40+ pounds on the ground. And there isn't even an abnormal skill advantage to Silva when the fight hits the ground. Carwin would soul-crush curb-stomp Silva if he got on top of him.

Anderson is also getting up there in age. And his right hand isn't Thor's hammer either. Maia is like 0% chance of winning against Carwin. If Silva did any of that bs to Carwin, he'd be ktfo. Did you see what he did with 1-inch punches to Mir?

That's what machida fans said pre-rua. Just because something hasn't happened before, doesn't mean it won't. Nobody in the sport is invincible even though they make look it vs certain fighters.

http://www.mmamania.com/2010/1/25/12...gests-capoeira

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So I guess by this logic Jose Aldo would absolutely dismantle Shane Carwin.

I'd think Carwin would take a couple of punches while charging in, flatten Silva and smother him. Wrong?