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05-09-2010 , 10:19 PM

#526

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GSP is still a big favorite, but Koscheck has come closer than anyone else to equalling GSP in the UFC.

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05-09-2010 , 11:27 PM

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Plus Hughes the first time.

I'm assuming Danny meant that Kos gave GSP a better fight than any of the other guys GSP has beaten, yes?

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05-09-2010 , 11:31 PM

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link to the machida KO plz?

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05-09-2010 , 11:37 PM

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www.youtube.com

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05-09-2010 , 11:40 PM

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There's a phrase I used right before I said "Tito Ortiz". "Declining fighters with big names". It's still fun to have Tito around.

I disagree. Koscheck gave him the closest fight of anyone he's ever faced. Kos took him down and won a round, and very easily could have won the entire fight if GSP doesn't pull a superhuman sprawl out of nowhere. If Koscheck finishes that takedown, he beats GSP 29-28 on all cards and there is no prolonged GSP title run.

GSP is still a big favorite, but Koscheck has come closer than anyone else to equalling GSP in the UFC.

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Plus Hughes the first time.

I'm assuming Danny meant that Kos gave GSP a better fight than any of the other guys GSP has beaten, yes?

if you beat GSP, you're not equal to him. You beat him. Koscheck's fight with GSP was the closest he's ever had.

Past that, I would say Koscheck was actually more impressive in his 3 rounds than Serra was in his cumulative rounds against GSP. Koscheck had a real, non-fluke chance to win, whereas Serra basically got lucky with a glancing temple blow, and then was systematically beat down in the next fight.

Koscheck vs GSP.

Koscheck wins their first fight if this doesn't happen.

unreal TDD. And if Kos finishes that shot, he wins their fight basically.

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05-09-2010 , 11:51 PM

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Thought GSP/BJ 1 was a close fight as well? Is that his 3rd closest one then?

Also the 1st fight against Koscheck was in August of 2007, how would you handicap it now given how both fighters have progressed since then? (GSP has beaten Hughes, Serra, Fitch, Penn, Alves, and Fitch, while Koscheck has beaten Hazelett, Lytle, Yoshida, Trigg, A. Johnson and Daley, and lost to Alves and Thiago)

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05-09-2010 , 11:59 PM

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are you not able to gauge how much guys have improved fight-to-fight?

gsp was better then, and has super obviously improved significantly over how much koscheck has improved. there is zero reason to think this fight is anything but a huge longshot for kos.

and i love koscheck.

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05-10-2010 , 12:12 AM

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I'm watching GSP's first fight. lololol wtf happened?

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05-10-2010 , 12:19 AM

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are you not able to gauge reading comprehension?

I'm not saying Koscheck is a favorite, I'm just pointing out how well he performed in the first fight.

Of course GSP is still a huge favorite. But this is going to be better than GSP/Hardy, and probably more competitive than any GSP fight recently. Without looking it up, I don't think GSP has lost a round since that Koscheck fight. So Koscheck could at least break the consecutive rounds streak or something.

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05-10-2010 , 02:20 AM

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I think that would actually be an interesting prop bet:

Does Josh Koscheck take a round from GSP?

What would you set the line at? GSP hasn't lost a round since the Koscheck fight years ago. He's beaten BJ, Fitch, Serra, Hughes, Alves, and Daley all without losing a round since then.

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05-10-2010 , 03:48 AM

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I agree, really interesting prop bet. I'd lean towards no

Although all it takes is for Koscheck to get a takedown early in the round, then just have position on him the rest of the round and he gets it....which I could definitely see happening

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05-10-2010 , 01:27 PM

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As 72 brought up, BJ-GSP 1 was a close fight. I'd say it was quite a bit closer than GSP/Kos 1. No one doubted GSP won the fight at the end of that one.

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05-10-2010 , 01:58 PM

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Anderson v Shogun would be ridiculously awesome. Just go ahead and sign them to a best of 7, please.

Silva wins 4 straight imo, but at least it'd be better than giving Silva these ridiculous opponents they've been giving him.

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05-10-2010 , 02:16 PM

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just watched Shogun beat Machida...wow, much more dominant than I expected!

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05-10-2010 , 02:19 PM

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Silva wins 4 straight imo, but at least it'd be better than giving Silva these ridiculous opponents they've been giving him.

This is overrating Silva pretty badly. There would be less than a 10% chance that Silva wins four in a row vs. Shogun.

There would have to be an 85% chance that Silva wins each fight in order for him to be a favorite to do so. That's way off.

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05-10-2010 , 02:22 PM

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slightly off imo

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05-10-2010 , 02:28 PM

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Anderson Silva is getting pretty overrated. If he fought in the 205 division for the last 5 years he'd have a couple of losses and just be considered a great fighter instead of unbeatable. He's dominated a lot of schlubs at 185 to get his reputation. His two biggest tests have been Dan Henderson and Forrest Griffin. He lost the first round in the Henderson fight and then submitted him in the second and dominated Forrest. Two very impressive feats for sure, but they don't make him unbeatable at 205. Shogun's resume blows him out of the water.

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There would have to be an 85% chance that Silva wins each fight in order for him to be a favorite to do so. That's way off.

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slightly off imo

What do you think the odds would be if they fought at 205? Right now they have him at ~78% to beat Sonnen.

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05-10-2010 , 02:38 PM

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i think hes higher than that to beat sonnen, and about that to beat shogun.

I mean, I dont think silva vs machida would be close at all

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05-10-2010 , 02:39 PM

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Silva is > 80% to beat anyone not named Brock or Fedor

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05-10-2010 , 02:43 PM

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i think hes higher than that to beat sonnen, and about that to beat shogun.

I mean, I dont think silva vs machida would be close at all

Cool opinions bro. Didn't realize I was talking to one of the most successful MMA bettors on the planet.

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05-10-2010 , 02:43 PM

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Silva is > 80% to beat anyone not named Brock or Fedor

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Beyond ridiculous, and you know better.

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05-10-2010 , 02:44 PM

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you ask for my opinions then muck me for saying them?

f off douche

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05-10-2010 , 02:48 PM

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I mocked them because you made an idiotic claim about the Silva/Chonnen fight. I wasn't asking your opinion on that one. The market has already determined that one for me. I asked your opinion on Shogun/Silva. If you think it's going to be 75% then I disagree and think that's pretty crazy.

I think it'll be close to a coinflip.

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05-10-2010 , 02:50 PM

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so youre saying theres no way that a bet on silva at the current odds against sonnen can be good since the market has already determined the correct line?