anyone heard the news on Tito and the criminal investigation hes involved in?

Well, it'll be huger if Fedor and Overeem both win. Strikeforce said a while ago that they wanted to market Overeem once more before he fought Fedor.

seems like he didnt even hurt her

ya i seen the press conference, seems like her drug addiction has got out of hand, might explain the "personal reasons" why tito had to jack in TUF.

If Fedor was an 8 to 1 favorite against Rogers, what does that make him against Werdum, 12 to 1? 15 to 1?

I don't know why people think Werdum is a push over, he has 2 career wins over Gabriel Gonzaga, has beaten the younger Emelianenko and beat Overeem over in Pride.

TUF tonight was a perfect example of overtraining. Tito has his team doing a crapload of iron-man conditioning stuff, and surprise, his fighter gassed and lost a fight he could have won. When you have to fight and cut weight 4 times in 6 weeks, doing any hard conditioning at all is beyond stupid.

cool? fedor is still going to crush him.

Werdum basically cannot win fights at a high level if he doesn't get takedowns. He can't beat very many people at all standing. He's got great BJJ though.

The problem is that he also has very mediocre takedowns. A hard hitter who can stop a decent amount of takedowns is going to crush his soul. He's got a subber's chance against fedor, but not much of one.

I mean obviously but saying he should be a far bigger underdog against Fedor then Rogers was is wrong.

Tito seems like he would be a good coach if he had his own gym where he got train guys for a long period of time, but he seems to push them too much for what TUF is.

Also about the weight cutting I'm surprised they don't talk about it more. Weight cutting is a huge part of MMA outside of the HW division but the way the show is edited it makes it seem like it's something that is easy and guys just do it with no problem.

Rogers was more likely to get a knockout than Werdum is to get it to the ground and get the sub

I guess that could be the theory, but Rogers is also much more likely to be subbed then Werdum is. So while Werdum will only lose by being outstruck Rogers could've been outstruck and outgrappled.

Werdum is a great BJJ guy but he's way too one-dimensional to beat Fedor. Fedor's submission defense is fine and he's strong as a freaking ox -- I'm not sure Werdum could tap him even if he did get Fedor to the ground.

Fedor does take punches and he does have a tendency to get cut, so I guess he could theoretically lose to an elite striker, but the worst I remember seeing him hurt was when Fujita hit him just about as hard as it's possible to hit a person and Fedor still was able to tie up and recover within maybe half a minute. The dude shook off the Randleman headslam like it didn't even bother him.

I'm not sure Fedor is beatable, but if he is, it ain't gonna be a BJJ-only guy like Werdum that gets him, it would have to be someone that can rock him like Fujita did and then get a finish.

you seem to be trying to apply mmath. yes, werdum is better than rogers and would be a favorite over him but he still has pretty much no chance to beat fedor and rogers did (although obv it was a very small chance). matchups are important.

this is like the guy who wondered why aoki was a dog to melendez. you can't just look at records on sherdog.

lol

he was just about flash KOed by a one dimensional (pro) wrestler that was probably like the 71st best heavyweight in the world at the time. it's not impossible for him to lose, weird **** happens in fights

he's an underdog to win his next 3 fights unless he mixes in some freakshows

I'm not saying Werdum has a very good chance, I'm not even saying he has a better chance than Rogers, my point is there is no way Werdum should be a 15-1 underdog based solely on the fact that Rogers was an 8-1 dog against Fedor. If Rogers was 8-1, Werdum should be no worse than 10-1.

Fedor is very beatable he just hasn't been and hasn't fought the type of fighter who has the style to beat him and that's an incredibly strong wrestler who hits hard. Fedor would truely be tested in the UFC, there are 3 guys who fit this mold. I would love to see Fedor fight Brock/Carwin/Cain but sadly we will probably never see any of those fights.

Everyone likes to underrate Fujita, but he was 9-3 going into that fight, he'd lost twice to Mirko and once to Coleman, those aren't exactly ugly losses, and he'd beaten Yvel, Shamrock, and Kerr. I'm not saying Fujita was top five or anything, but he wasn't 71st either. Guy was better in his prime than most people ever gave him credit for, though his total record looks pretty weak b/c he refuses to admit that he's like 40.

And of course Fedor is "beatable" in a 2% anything-can-happen-in-a-fight way, but given that he won't be fighting Lesnar, who would you take against Fedor if you were given, say, 3 to 1 odds? Arlovski was the one realistic matchup that could've got him, so unless Dana decides to pay the man and put him in the UFC, no, he's not very beatable at all.

fujita's entire game was based around having a cement head and being a decent wrestler. his striking was always terrible.

there's a big difference between "fedor isn't beatable" and "fedor would be -300 or better vs anyone not in the UFC"

Yeah, I overstated it with "not sure he's beatable", my fault.

Side question, is the general consensus that Brock would be favored over Fedor? I wonder what the line would look like.

Rig factor on a big fight has to make up a pretty big percentage of the underdogs price.

i think ppl mostly expected the line to be in the fedor -170 range ignoring brock's health problems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7gPoU8TFcE

1st film in an epic series of MMA training videos, enjoy.

only if the next 3 fights go Werdum/Overeem/Lesnar

So Vancouver sells out faster than any UFC in history and we are rewarded with probably the worst co-main event in the last couple years. Cro Cop belongs on a preliminary card.