Segura career .118 with 0 HRs with bases loaded. Could be the worst numbers ive seen for that situation.

What odds do you need on the Dodgers, down 6-1 at home in the middle of the 5th?

Visiting the in-laws in Chicago in September and just booked tickets for all 3 Friday-Sunday games at Wrigley vs the Cardinals. Today was a good day.

Awesome. You do live in the US now right?

Really great catch by Camargo to end the Dodgers streak.

no surprise the dodgers lose the same day the wet blanket rbk shows up

My point isn't player specific. One of your arguments of keeping a blue-chipish type player was the organizational depth you have in case **** happens to a player.

To make this simple you need to only answer one question; what should the goal be for the rest of the season.

The plan coming out of Spring Training was no expectations whatsoever, let the kids develop and see what they got which as a fan I'm 100% behind because there was no pressure, and no need to win this year. Now were 11 days away from the deadline, you look and see your in a playoff spot at present, so you ask the question again and they answered YES were going for it.

I posted this in the STT thread a couple of weeks ago if they are going to go for it don't trade anything high valued, which imo I deemed as Torres, and Frazier as untouchable. Regardless since they are going for it, should you really worry about the WHAT IF an injury happens, no you assess your needs, look at your assets, and make a deal. Am I really concerned if Ellsbury slips and breaks his vagina...not on 7/20...and if I'm Cashman that can't be a consideration at the deadline to improve the team.



See above, my opinion obv. but whatever lets take a look at below:

Posted Feb 13 2017

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=31160

Posted July 6 2017

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=32224


True similarly ranked in Feb. but Rutherford fell out of the top 50 as recently as two weeks ago so something happened. Again not that I didn't like Rutherford I just think Frazier is a better prospect. Also considering that they gave up Miller to get Frazier the Yanks are way more invested to see him succeed.


Don't confuse your opinion with fact, if you think standing pat was the way to go I guess we'll find out soon enough. I agree to the extent that I don't want to gut the farm especially since they did so well to build it up last year, but you gotta give to get.

As far as Sonny Gray come to think of it I'm not sure if he's Mateo worthy persay but if Yonder was in the mix too then Mateo, Rutherford, + "x" prospect(s) could have been the way to go but my guess is the Yanks tried to make this happen at first but they wanted too much.


Is it possible that the conversation started with T. Frazier, ok, but it obv didn't end with him. Kahnle is controlled through 2020 and has the highest ceiling of the 3 in terms of performance and trade value if he balls out. So I'm sure once it was a possibility that Kahnle could be had Frazier became the afterthought rather than the primary goal.


If only Frazier stepped in it like that...plz one-time...but this isn't poker where your judged on decision making based on incomplete information. Trading players you know who the players are in the moment, so your playing the hands face up at all times. The point I'm making is you can't really judge for 100% certainty if it wound up being a good or bad deal for at least a couple of seasons because the results still have to play out based on the motivations of the teams involved.

In this case the White Sox are playing the long game and the Yanks are kinda caught in the middle where they want to be players but don't want to overplay their hand. From my end I judge it from that perspective rather than only the players involved. Even if I don't agree with the plan I still think in order to judge the trade accurately the results matter based on players + team goals.


Or DH...the problem though is as constructed currently they are so RHB heavy they need LHB power to balance out the team. Didi and Gardy are ok but when you play 81 games at Yankee Stadium and have no legit power threat from the left side it kinda leaves you exposed, that's part in parcel of why Harper is the dream, but aside that they need a legit LH HR threat.

Here we go with Chapman. Just take him out of the game, pull him off the mound by his ear, and throw him in the bathroom.

That two run error in the top of the inning looming LARGE. I hope Robbie isn't still a Yankee fan.

Do Yankees fans, or Cashman, care that Sad Panda would be starting game 2 of playoff series?

Pirates are going to win the division ez game.

The "what if" isn't about Ellsbury getting hurt tomorrow. It's about Ellsbury getting hurt in 2020 when Rutherford could be ready for the show.



A few months doth a pedigree not much change. Besides, even if Frazier is better, I don't see why Mateo is. I can show you many top prospect lists that list him behind Rutherford at the start of the year.


lol. Obviously everything I say about what the Yankees should do is opinion; I'm not confused about that. But again, if I am right, I'm right REGARDLESS of what happens in the future, and the same thing is true if I'm wrong. This is a poker forum. In poker, you hear all the time that you shouldn't be "results oriented." Sports are no different. Sometimes bad moves work out, sometimes good moves do not. I think this was a bad move (but again, not brutally bad or anything, just one I wouldn't have made). And as mentioned, if Todd Frazier leads us to a WS and you come to me and say "I told you so," I will not admit that I was wrong.

No idea about this one way or the other so won't speculate. I think Gray is solid. Was terrible last year but good every other year and pitching well this year since coming back from DL. Alonso would actually be a really good fit. I'd try to get him if he's not too expensive--he'd much cheaper than Gray because he's an impending FA and Gray is controlled until 2020.



Disagree. Doesn't really make sense. Do you think we would have had to give up anyone even close to Rutherford to get just Kahnle? (Hint: don't say yes)

I don't agree. See above. You have incomplete information in both baseball and poker, don't really see the difference. Obviously there are some situations where results matter, but usually they will not, at least not to me. If we traded Aaron Judge and Gary Sanchez for Darwin Barney, that would be objectively bad, even if Judge and Sanchez both end up being scrubs and Barney suddenly becomes great. That's obvious hyperbole, but it illustrates the point.


Signing Harper to play DH would be blasphemy, and moving a 27 yr old Judge there would be equally so. I can see an argument for needing lefties to balance, but I don't see why LH power is so necessary--if you have enough power from your righties then you're fine. The reason to have lefties is to make it harder for opposing pitchers, especially bullpens. That would be true as long as they're good hitters, even if not big power guys. In any event, I don't think anyone doubts how good Harper is and how he could be even better with the short porch in the Bronx. It just can't be considered more than a pipedream right now, considering a) he hasn't once said he wants to play for the Yankees, b) Cashman hasn't once said he is interested (he can't while he's on another team), c) a recent article came out saying he prefers the Cubs to the Yankees, d) another recent article came out saying he doesn't like NY (though he was mostly talking with reference to the Mets), e) if Judge is this legit, he makes Harper much less enticing, and f) he has many times said how he loves Washington and while I think it's a foregone conclusion that he'll reach free agency, it makes perfect sense for them to try to keep their homegrown superstar and the Lerners have as much money as anyone and can certainly afford to pay him 400m if they want to.

Cubs will be scrubs again by end of the weekend.

Guys, take your walls of text to the Yankees thread

Yep, New York though

That was sort of the point, though I don't consider RBI as representative of productivity particularly.

I'll take Cubs vs Cardinals for the series at evens up to $100 if you want.

That's an odd offer to make to a Brewers fan.

Not really considering what his post was claiming. Don't have to support a team to bet on them.

Shoe was a devout Cardinals hater when we were winning the division every year. I suspect that hasn't changed the year that we're trash.

Why would I do that when I can get +185 at bovada right now?

Even if you make a fair offer I'll pass though.

lol fair enough.

Figured you might be txdome in disguise or something

Does the wild card team get homefield in the CS if they have the better record?

no