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View Poll Results: GOAT?
labron 138 30.73%
MJ (Michael or Maple) 231 51.45%
Therapist 7 1.56%
George Mikan 2 0.45%
Shaq Attaq 17 3.79%
Wilt the Stilt (100 pts yo) 12 2.67%
Timmy "Big Fundamentals" Duncan 18 4.01%
"Roger Murdock" 3 0.67%
Enchanted AIDS Wang (er, HIV+?) 8 1.78%
Larry Legend (+ HM to Bill Russell's laugh) 13 2.90%
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Old 06-01-2013, 12:42 PM   #76
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Re: NBA: MJ vs. Labron GOAT Discussion Containment Thread

put scottie pippen on the cavs and he rangz.
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Old 06-01-2013, 12:44 PM   #77
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your trolling needs a lot of work. a good troll must have a (preferrably annoying) element of truth to it that goes against the consensus.

hard to do, and can't be too outlandish.

the goat trolls are actually not trolls are all. they are just statements that are ahead of their time.
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Old 06-01-2013, 12:54 PM   #78
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Funny how we consider LeBron's team to be soooooo overpowered, yet MJ had statistically the greatest rebounder that will probably ever play the game, an MVP caliber small forward, and most always had a straight up ridiculous cast of role players like Kerr, Grant, Kukoc, etc..

LeBron has WAIDS and the lolBostrich, a flopper from Duke and Udonis Haslem. Seems way <<<<< Jordan's Bulls
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Old 06-01-2013, 12:55 PM   #79
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For LJ to ever be considered the GOAT he has to crush MJ's career. You can not become the GOAT because you = or are close to the GOAT. The GOAT has to set a new standard that blows away the competition. There should be no argument who the GOAT is. When MJ retired there was no argument who the GOAT was. 15 years later some people that are not old enough to remember MJ are saying LJ might be the GOAT.

MJ set a new standard. LJ is trying to match MJ's standard. By no means has LJ surpassed MJ. Even if LJ equals Jordan the tie goes to the champ because LJ knows what he has to do to be as dominant as Jordan. LJ has to set a new standard that MJ can not compete with to be the GOAT (he might do it, but until then there is no LJ is GOAT). LJ is a great BB player. Best of his generation. He has a long way to go to be considered the GOAT.

One reason it will be very difficult to ever call LJ the GOAT is he was not dominant enough to build a championship team around him in Cleveland. When he left CLeveland to go to Miami. He did so because he wanted to win. Miami and Wade had already won without LJ. LJ did not have the confidence that he would win it all with the team built around him in Cleveland. MJ was drafted by a Bulls team that had sucked for a long time. The team was built around him. MJ did not leave the Bulls and join the Lakers, Rockets or Knicks when he could not beat the Pistons.
that's not how evolution works bro
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Old 06-01-2013, 12:56 PM   #80
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lebron only once played for a team with a sub .500 winning percentage, jordan did it each of his first 3 years

jordan played for a historical top 3-5 NCAAB coach and a historical top 3 NBA coach. lebron played for mike brown and a spraytanned chipmunk

jordan needed one of the 50 greatest players of all time before he made his first nba finals appearance. lebron took the cavs to the finals despite never having anyone who was among the 50 best players in basketball that season

in the year jordan "retired" the bulls still won 55 games (2 fewer than his last season at the time). the cavs retained the same roster minus lebron and went from 61 wins to 19

jordan needed 5 years to advance past the 2nd round of the playoffs. lebron did it in 4
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:00 PM   #81
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Its the only argument I need Shawn.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:00 PM   #82
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Re: NBA: MJ vs. Labron GOAT Discussion Containment Thread

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Funny how we consider LeBron's team to be soooooo overpowered, yet MJ had statistically the greatest rebounder that will probably ever play the game, an MVP caliber small forward, and most always had a straight up ridiculous cast of role players like Kerr, Grant, Kukoc, etc..

LeBron has WAIDS and the lolBostrich, a flopper from Duke and Udonis Haslem. Seems way <<<<< Jordan's Bulls
MJ won 3 titles without Rodman. The Bulls were a little better then average (2nd round) when MJ retired. Heat won a title with Wade and Shaq and no LJ.

MJ made his teammates better. Most of those guys did little without Jordan.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:02 PM   #83
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MJ won 3 titles without Rodman. The Bulls were a little better then average when MJ retired. Heat won a title with Wade and old Shaq and no LJ.

MJ made his teammates better. Most of those guys did little without Jordan.
lol, all of this is addressed 2 posts above yours
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:03 PM   #84
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Enhanced the "OP"
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:03 PM   #85
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It's such a dumb debate. LeBron looks like the GOAT out there but for most of us, we were pretty young during Jordan's peak so I highly doubt there's not a lot of recency bias there. Jordan's peak, if not better, was certainly close enough to LeBron that his accomplishments for now keep him the GOAT. Obviously LeBron could retire as GOAT and might be favored to. That doesn't matter though. This thread is stupid but if it keeps this debate out of other threads than it could be an all-time great thread.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:04 PM   #86
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Labron def favored to go down as GOAT. LOL at the comment that Jordan never got swarmed by defenses though.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:07 PM   #87
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no pole fail
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:08 PM   #88
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It's such a dumb debate. LeBron looks like the GOAT out there but for most of us, we were pretty young during Jordan's peak so I highly doubt there's not a lot of recency bias there. Jordan's peak, if not better, was certainly close enough to LeBron that his accomplishments for now keep him the GOAT. Obviously LeBron could retire as GOAT and might be favored to. That doesn't matter though. This thread is stupid but if it keeps this debate out of other threads than it could be an all-time great thread.
pretty much my exact thoughts.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:12 PM   #89
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Labron def favored to go down as GOAT. LOL at the comment that Jordan never got swarmed by defenses though.
Jordan aged incredibly well, not sure if we can say Lebron is "favored" to do the same
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Re: NBA: MJ vs. Labron GOAT Discussion Containment Thread

Missed two years plus Labron started earlier.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:15 PM   #91
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Re: NBA: MJ vs. Labron GOAT Discussion Containment Thread

i put lebron right there on the cusp if they ring this year. but lebron needs 4 rings to be goat since he is jordan but taller and stronger. but u need min 4 rings. just they way it works. be honest, if lebron retires with just 3 rings when jordan was 6 for 6, well if lebron plays until 40 and sets scoring record and has some goat heroics then maybe, but cmon the set of potential goats all have ring > 4 . jordan did the extra credit stuff too that lebron didnt like ncaa hero and foul line dunk in dunk contest vs nique.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:17 PM   #92
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Jordan aged incredibly well, not sure if we can say Lebron is "favored" to do the same
I dunno, think once he loses some athleticism hell put on 10-20 pounds and post up more, play d against forwards.
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Man, Jordan has such GOAT facial expressions in some of those pics. JFC guy is intense.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:19 PM   #94
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Re: NBA: MJ vs. Labron GOAT Discussion Containment Thread

yeah esp with such a high bball iq and all the PEDs...i see no reason why he cant age like a better pierce
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:21 PM   #95
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and a spraytanned chipmunk
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:21 PM   #96
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Man, Jordan has such GOAT facial expressions in some of those pics. JFC guy is intense.
Yupp Jordan will always be the GOAT even as man evolves and players start becoming better than him. There's more to "greatness" than how good you were at basketball. There will eventually be someone better than LeBron, probably within the next 25 years, maybe Wiggins. They'll continue to come and go but there will never be another Jordan. Such a piece of **** person, yet so many reasons to aspire to be like him.
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Was afraid I made this thread while blacked out last night. Good to know I contained my stupidity to IRL.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:27 PM   #98
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no pole fail
wayyyyyyy too early in lebron's career to warrant a legitimate poll.
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yup
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:32 PM   #100
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LeBron's going to retool his game and put up this statline at 38 y/o.

SeasonHeightWeightTmLgPosGGSMPFGFGAFG%3P3PA3P%FTFTAFT%TRBASTSTLBLKTOVPFPTS
2022-236'10250LBJNBAC848631.88.220.80.3947.820.40.3823.23.30.9709.44.61.20.62.10.427.4
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