he's right tho

Bird yes maybe. Magic no shot. I know i'll get crap for this but Magic is/was way overrated. He was a hof'er and great player but how people talk about him as anywhere close to goat or top 5 is ridiculous. He was never considered the best player in the league in his career but he can be top 5 all time? I know he won mvp one year but everyone who watched his career know he was a distributor not a great scorer or takeover player. A great distributor but if you aren't an elite scorer take over player i don't think you should be in top 5. I think Worthy was closer to Magic than Magic to anyone in top 5. Stockton, Kidd, Curry, Nash were better imo. Curry only one who is scary good where offensively can be mentioned in top 5 goat discussions possibly when career over. Best shooter ever is why he in discussion.

Where Bird was the best player in the league. He was scary good where teams feared him like a GOAT player is feared. He was super clutch and will to win like MJ he wouldn't be denied. If he didn't hurt his back he would have won more mvp's and been top 3 top 5 for sure.

Man you guys got me to watch this bird mixtape this morning. Godamn I miss that.

Magic won MVP 3 times and finals MVP 3 times. You keep overvaluing bulk scoring under rating passing/playmaking.

Larry Hughes went 22/6/4 and all-defense the year before going to the Cavs -- and he was going into his prime (26 year old).

Not really sure why he keeps getting lumped in as some scrub player LeBron got stuck with.

Larry Hughes had a career year coinciding with his contract year. After he got paid, he never even had a season close to that one. Additionally his points were pretty inefficient at 52% ts%. Larry's stats are even worse when it comes to the playoffs, after his 21 per year in his contract year, he had 14 and 12 per for Cleveland and basically similar pretty horrible stats for a near max guy the rest of his career. He had a 9 PER in the playoffs which is hilariously bad. And despite his usage drop in Cleveland, his ts% actually dropped.

I think Hughes D was actually good, his O game just sucked.

http://heylarryhughespleasestoptakin...ybadshots.com/

it's a shame this has been taken down

Forgot about Hughes. Another good example of someone LeBron ruined. Great talent. Very good player. Not utilized correctly becsuse he's not a domesticated catch and shoot bot.

His playoffs were pretty decent the year before going to Cleveland:

20/7/3 with a 16.6 PER

His career definitely tanked once he got to Cleveland (and left), though, I agree.

You have the reading comprehension skills of a 7 year old crackbaby.

No one ever said Gibson and James Jones were supposed to become Pippen and Grant. You are the one claiming LeBron makes his teammates better. He hasn't. Ever. Not a single one. Not the scrubs like Gibson and Jones. Not the stars like Bosh and Love. With many he made them worse.

Yet players like Grant and Pippen improved a ton wkth Jordan even considering they started as good players too. Grant was great in Orlando and Pippen was a superstar post-Chicago and when Jordan played baseball.

A LeBron team could NEVER have still been good without him because he does not allow them to actually play basketball. They have to serve his needs.

I don't know he just never wow'd me like he has others. I don't mean to dis Magic he was an excellent player it just always seemed to me he was somewhat over-rated. Like on the dream team i look at that team and he seemed like the worst of the superstars except for Laettner. I mean he didn't even have that good a jump shot. Certainly not a jump shot to be feared like Stockton, Nash, Curry. Yeah he was a great passer playmaker but so were Stockton, Nash, Kidd. Magic passes just more flashy i think is why he gets more hype where a stockton more efficiant just more boring meat and potatoes instead of the magic flash no look passes.

He may have won 3 mvp's and 3 finals mvp's but based on talent was never the best player in the league. Bird was the best player or one of the best players in league when he played. Jordan was always the best player. When you talk goat i feel like you have to be an elite unstoppable force as far as scoring and or dominating a game defensively as well. Players that singlehandedly can takeover and dominate a game. Magic couldn't do that. Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Shaq, Akeem, Duncan, Kareem, Wilt were mega superstars like that.

Starting to think that MJ winning 6 while dealing with PHIL is strongest argument for being GOAT

No mention of his brother dying during the year?


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In his rookie year, Magic Johnson had 42/15/7 in Game 6 of the Finals while Kareem sat. Not a mega superstar who can take over the game though.

Imagine how much worse he would have been that year if he wasn't inspired by his dead brother.

So one game he took over makes him into goat talk? I guess Jeremy Lynn is better than Magic and should be talked about as top 3 of all time since i seen him take over more than one game. Linsanity baby!

How about doing it every night like goat players do.

100% agree!

It's so great that people are starting to see what a fraud Phil has always been:

"He's the Zen Master"

"The triangle offense is soo sophisticated. All the other coaches in the league don't use it because they're not smart enough"

"Look how Phil doesn't call the obvious timeout because he wants his players to work through it"

To his credit, I do think he deceived Jordan, Kobe, and Shaq into buying his hype, so I guess he is responsible for some to their success.

I just never could help but roll my eyes when he used to get so much love from the media/players.

Actually coming around to Jordan being GOAT due to dragging the carcass of Phil Jackson to 6 titles. Might have to raise Shaq and Kobe too.

Remember when he gave them those books to read, though?!

GOAT coach!!

Is averaging 12+ assists a game a drop in the bucket while scoring 18 points a game? I think Magic is overrated as well but your points are hilariously bad takes.

Again for some reason you like to discredit guys who are facilitators first. Like do you think CP3 sucks too? Cp3 isn't averaging a ton of points but he is averaging a good amount at insane efficiency + amazing passing.

You for some reason really love Wiggins and think a guy like Wiggins can be great--Wiggins is a score first garbage scorer; while you have guys like Cp3, Magic, Stockson or even Bron that score at a pretty high clip, Lebron especially but also pass the ball at an insane level and do other things (Cp3/Lebron/Stockton are elite defenders at times possibly).

Magic's assist #s are likely inflated due to him playing with Kareem/Worthy/etc. but his scoring #s are likely deflated for the same reasons.

When you get Scottie Pippen in his rookie year. He will become a better player with or without Jordan.

It's not hard wooderson.

Phil Jackson was a good coach when the game was simpler and there weren't any 3s.

He's also good when he has a ton of talent. He is not going to take a 20 win team and turn them into a 40. He can take a 55 win team and get them a title though.

What points are hilariously bad takes? You just agreed with me Magic was overrated. That's my take.

Cp3 is a great point guard. Accidentally left him out and was going to put him back on there but just left it. Cp3 is the purest point guard in the league right now as far as running the offense and making his teammates better. Not as good a shooter as Stockton, Nash, or Curry but better shooter than Magic.

Why you make it sound like i was saying Stockton wasn't good? I named Stockton as one of the best point guards of all time.

I like Wiggins potential not what he's done so far in his career. It's his athleticism and explosiveness which excites me where i haven't seen many players with that kind athleticism and ups since jordan. I think he plays on cruise control maybe because he wants to defer to teammates sometimes to be a good teammate or maybe he just lazy not into the game sometimes. But you can see he knows that he has the greatness in him and can score whenever he wants. But he doesn't have the drive or mindset of a jordan or kobe to go all out and to takeover on a consistent basis. At least not yet.

He was a madman

Ps:I love opposite team reaction from 1m55 to 2m20.