He just is. How bout if I use, He just is as the crux of my argument for why Bron is the best. It's such a poor way to argue. The real crux of your argument is that you love MJ and you hate that Lebron is being compared to MJ. Your buddy, TWK is gone to argue the same poor way you do.

Again, there is hardly anyone arguing MJ > LBJ for a career. Clearly there is some argument with respect to this point in their current careers. You bring up clutch, Lebron has been clutch enough to be compared to Jordan at this point. It's almost if all Lebron's clutch moments have been ignored. It's hardly clear that Jordan is a better player albeit it is clear he is a better scorer. That's because Lebron doesn't really have the scoring first mentality like MJ does.

The funny part is people like you Mucks, are what make this argument so stupid. MJ is in fact my favorite player all time, but simpletons like yourself are starting to ruin him for me.

I'm sorry man, I hope you will continue to like your favorite player. Youre pathetic.

This thread is stupid bc MJ has all the credentials and Lebron doesnt.

Check back in 10 years, then we can have this discussion. Lebron isn't even close to GOAT status and the ppl that come in here and actually believe this dude is the greatest are just trolling or are oblovious to what makes an athlete the GOAT at his/her sport.

English isn't your primary language? I said Jordan is my favorite player all time. ****, a reason I went to UNC was I loved Jordan a ton.

He isn't close? He could easily be the best SF in NBA history (weak position) due to Bird's injuries. He has 4 MVPs by 28 (Jordan had 2). His stats are in line with MJ. He has 4 finals appearances by 28 (to Jordan's 2). He has no weakness other than wanting to pass too much and free throw %s. He is a different player than Jordan (Jordan is a better scorer, Bron is better at other things). I'm pretty sure people had the same arguments about MJ when he was about 28. I guess those weren't relevant as well at the time. Clearly, LBJ has a non zero chance at becoming the GOAT.

I really think, at least, LeBron is going to go down as the GOAT regular season player ever. But we're long way from that. Injuries have derailed many players.

More to the point, he really needs at least 2 or 3 more to fend off the "choker" critics and he definitely needs to at least tie MJ to become undisputed GOAT.

Basically LBJ is on pace to get right up there with MJ, and probably surpass MJ. But to actually pull that off, he's gonna need some luck. Luck with injuries. Luck with teammates (WAIDS?). And just luck with no running god awful in the playoffs.

it's going to take luck and some health for wade/rest of the heat scrubs.

Typical Carolina fan. Go Devils

Just let the dust settle, unlock the thread down the road when this is an actual argument

LOL. You live in NC, you are a Devils fan which is a clear small minority in the state of NC (did you even go there?). And you then clearly defend MJ without any real analysis other than "He just is," when he is the GOAT player from UNC. I'm shocked you aren't bringing up Kyrie is the next GOAT. When the dust settles, due to the way MJ did things in retiring repeatedly in his prime, it might not even be much of a discussion other than would MJ be better if he didn't retire twice.

Nope, didn't go there. Lol, why does that make a difference?

You should feel honored I'm crowning a player from Carolina. Its a very difficult thing to do, as you should know, but I give credit where credit is due.

I like how brons mvps are supposed to bridge the gap between his 1/3 finals record and Jordan's 6/6 finals record. Jordan arguably should have been MVP every year he was in the league, by the time he reached and dominated in the finals, he was inarguably the best player on the floor so he collected 6 NBA finals mvps to go with his 6 titles. 6 finals MVP statues>>>>> 4 regular season MVPs.

Troll-

How many finals appearances did MJ have by 28? Let's say theoretically, Lebron has 7 Finals MVP statues, is that clearly >>>>> 6? Obviously it won't be, b/c Jordan was 6/6 in the finals and Lebron can never do that. Why is it better to have never lost in the finals than to have repeatedly lost in lower rounds like MJ did? Why is that cool? It's cool to be worse than to be better and never lost a the highest level. Why is it cool that the highest level at times was in the first round in which Jordan lost a few times? Again people like you are grasping at straws to discredit what Lebron has done.

Agree. He will need a lot of luck. Like, nearly-Jordan levels of luck, especially in Finals.

The point being that once he reached the championship round, he refused to lose. Not one, not two, not three.... You get the idea. I'm not discrediting what LeBron has(n't) done, you are completely discrediting what Jordan has done, further making your point redundant by going on about some nonsense about Jordan's first round playoff losses.

Championships are a great measure of greatness. Rising to the challenge with an x on your back and thriving again and again when everyone in the building knows it's on you. Scoring about 8 points through 3 quarters of a finals game isn't being great

I have a perfect meme for this thread, but I have no idea how to post it.

http://backgrinder.com/2012/06/19/gu...get-sports-mj/

Man, this post just summarizes the pro-Jordan arguments ITT imo. I actually think Jordan is currently #1, but man the people in this thread arguing for that have put forth some horrific arguments.

I don't think this is what people are saying. I think people are saying that LBJ is ~60% likely to be 2/4 in NBA Finals by the end of his age 28 season whereas Jordan was 2/2 by the end of his age 28 season. Being 2/4 > 2/2 because its better to get to the Finals and lose than lose in the earlier rounds.

Why didn't he refuse to lose in earlier rounds?

So you think Jordan's credentials of being 6/6 in the championship round is negated because he didn't win every single postseason series he appeared in?

The bron sympathisers have gone full ******.

Leo,

So it's the mark of a better player to lose in the early rounds, rather than making it to the championship round and then losing?

Because something something refused to lose something something clutch?

Just so we're all on the same page.

Bill Russell = 11 rings.

You'd rather be 6/6 for finals stats rather than 11/12?

100% >>>>>>>>> 92% RIGHT!??!

Stick to foaming at the mouth in the game threads whenever LeBron has a bad quarter, you are doing Jordan a huge disservice trying to defend him what garbage level arguments.

This.

Jordan is #1, no doubt and will be for years.

But Jordan stans put out the dumbest arguments possible I just don't get it.

It's very simple, LeBron is as good as Jordan ever was, he just doesn't have the rings to back it up. And quite frankly that's the only argument I need for players of equal talent on the court with good teammates.

That's all Jordanites need to say. Instead, they decide to pick the dumbest arguments they can find which makes no sense to me.

Choking in the finals several times does not put one on the same level as Jordan. One man choked and lost while being considered the best player in the game, the other thrived and won while setting ppg records in the finals. LOL@people honestly believing Jordan and bron are on the same footing as of now. Also, since we are all so enamored with the age comparison, bron came in the league right out of hs, Jordan was too busy hitting NCAA title winners.

And yes, Jordan's 6/6 mean more than Russell's 11 playing in an 8 team league whose talent level would be inferior to the best Spanish league now.

You are god awful at arguing troll.

Lebron is going to be a serviceable Power Forward well into his 40's and is gonna be the ultimate mercenary the last ~8 years of his career from like 36+. Money won't matter to him, just winning titles and putting up numbers will.

Lebron is gonna end up something like #1 in pts, 3rd in assists, 10th in rebounds, 2nd in steals, top 50 in blocks and is gonna have like 8 rings.

Yes. The successes of Floyd "Mayweather" Money offer a valuable lesson. He loses about twenty sparring matches a year. He loses sports bets practically every day. This one time he got bitch-slapped by a five-year-old girl and his cheek welted up and he needed surgery. But on the big stage, where it truly counts, he's 44-0--including a dominating victory over "the Big Show."

If LeBron were a boxer, he'd be greedy enough to win every sparring match. He'd deplete his victory mana on insignificant contests, thus capping his big stage record at ~39-5 or whatever. MJ conserved his victory mana by not winning series in years he wouldn't have won the Finals anyway. And that's why he went 6-0 when it counted.

ETA: With Russell it's different; the league only had like three teams back then, so his 11-1 record is misleading.