losing to great teams > beating good teams


got it

So basically Jordan beat the Mavs 6 times and LeBron couldn't beat them once? LOL

I'm not sure how that ranking thing works, but that doesn't feel like the real order for the teams. I wouldn't have the 91 Lakers above the Suns or Sonics.

I also think the 2007 Spurs were better than the 2013 or 2014 Spurs.

I mean, I'm not arguing that LeBron's competition wasn't greater than MJ's competition, but it seems out of wack.

I'm probably missing something, but these are all-time finalist team rankings and the Warriors are 1-3? Where do the 90s Bulls rank as all-time finalists? 80's/00's Lakers?

ya what's the ranking of the Bulls, Heat, and Cavs teams?

If they are swept, that combined with your post should allow for instant lock of this thread.

Hi guys. Not reading any of this terribleness just here to remind you Lebron>MJ as a basketball player regardless how you feel about it.

This

Unbelievable, this is his time to shine

Elite gif

imo you dont see what the MJ camp are saying or at least what i am.
The problem here is not that Lebron his losing the serie but how he loses it.
Seriously if you want to be the goat you just cant lose a game like that and have such bad stats at the end in the 4th quarter where usually is where man are made off.
Just watch this year superbowl at the end...
All the great QB were know to be epic at the end and very dangerous for the opposing team.
Lebron is totally the other way around.

We are talking about being the goat ffs.

I mean never Jordan would of lose that game.
I mean Durant know how to hanlde it and he did it, that is goat!
In the last minutes of playoffs game, Jordan basically almost always had the ball and made the freakn points or get fouled to go to the FT and basically, still MAKE IT.

No way in hell larry bird would of lost that game.
we are talking about killier instinct here that dont crack under pressure and that want the ball to win and not giving the responsability on others to have a way out on saying why he lost.
i mean last play of game he basically drop the freakn ball.

his an amazing player and all and he carry his team yes,yes,great.
We are not asking him to win the freakn seriee we know he cant.
But my god, you cant be the goat and a lose a game like that , really...

When people talked about mental toughness on MJ, you would of seen it right there for sure, MJ tired would never lost that game simple.

3 on 3 half court, who wins?

Jordan-Shaq-Magic

Curry-Durant-Bron

Again, stop making really long posts your English is not good.

You live by the stupid narratives; Lebron could score every point but the last and lose and it'll be all his fault. Lebron isn't the same scorer MJ is, I doesn't make him a worse player because they're different.

Lebron is clutch except for the times he isn't clutch, I get it--everyone he doesn't play clutch in, he's crucified for. You do realize, MJ lost games and he also lost series. Yes MJ didn't lose finals; great for him but the narrative is boring and old. MJ had the golden touch in the finals but for some reason didn't have the golden touch earlier in his career when his team sucked.

MJ also had guys who could hit big shots; Lebron has had that too but not last night and not this series; it happens. Lebron doesn't go from GOAT to **** due to one game especially when he played well the rest of the game. The pundits and the guys like you who barely watch the NBA over value the finals and clutch spots--it's why a ton of them are obsessed with Kobe even though stats show he isn't nearly as effective in the clutch as the narrative indicates. Yes they matter but they aren't everything.

Tom Brady is very clutch, I get it; there are times he hasn't been as clutch or been unfortunate to lose (2 Giants SBs). The fact that Brady is 5-2 in the SB make it that much worse than let's say Montana who is 4-0? Is Brady that much worse because he lost to Manning in the AFCC? Or the other Manning twice?

well Jordan never had a bad game in the playoff kinda ( and we all know lebron did right ?) and even in losing position when his team suck early in his career, 43 ppg, or 63 pts at the garden vs freakin bird and the celtics.
point is i would never hold against lebron his lost vs the warriors but with this one game lost that shift this serie in abig way ( 2-1 vs 3-0), i would easily blame him.

But hey you think this is bad for jordan while lebron with a lesser performance you think its ok.
You think jordan in a winning posiiton would lose 11-0 in the last 2 min, fine. believe it than, nothing i can say more.

so fine nvm...

Fortunately for actual people basketball reference game logs exist and you can fact check the false claim of Jordan never having a bad game in his playoff career.

Except after the 63 point game; Jordan scored 19 points on 18 shots and lost by 18 to Boston.

Again we are fortunate to analyze every Lebron game in real time now and we forget everything MJ did wrong.

In the 1989 playoffs, Jordan had a 15 point game against the Knicks and a 18 point game on 8 shots vs the Pistons. Again, it really doesn't matter but the point is even great players have bad games and lose. Jordan lost a ton of games; he also won a ton. Every loss of Lebron is overanalyzed and every win is marginalized because he's just great. In game 7 in the year before the Bulls run, Jordan had a 31 point game on 27 shots and lost by 19 to the Pistons. You do realize MJ before he won titles despite being insanely great was crucified for the exact same things Lebron has been hit with even now. I will say MJ had a few less bad games % wise than Lebron but has still had bad games and bad losses. MJ even had a few bad finals games but the team won the series so they are forgotten.

God damn. Shut it down. That's good giffin

Jordan-Shaq-Magic like all of the time. Not because Jordan>Lebron but because in that 3 on 3 Shaq would be completely unstoppable

Sounds like trolling but even if passing to Korver is the right basketball play, you just want to see a GOAT (not a top 5 player of all-time) but the GOAT just do something ultra incredible when the chips are down. Instead he defers.

Kobe and MJ blew nuts at the end of a lot of games but I respected their heart.

ya but but but 'member that one time MJ passed to Kerr!?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...006030DET.html

Pretty sweet box score (MJ was fine)

Chicago scores 74 in a game 7; Pippen and Grant combine for 4-27 for 12 points; the other 2 starters are Hodges and Cartwright 6-22 so, the rest of the starters were a combined 10-49. Jordan was 13-27, the rest of the team was 15-63. Surprised MJ didn't kill everyone on the team.

tbf he went 6 straight seasons without losing a series

And it's not like a one-time thing. That's what makes it bad. Not that be passed to Korver but that's been is MO his entire career

Except he didn't; did you forget 1995 when they lost in the ECF to the Magic? Or wait, am I supposed to ignore that? Again facts are tough to ignore except you guys always ignore them. For his first 6 seasons, Jordan ended his seasons in a loss and lost a series; the humanity.

LOL what are you even saying?

When someone comes along and wins literally every title of their career without doing any super teaming or team jumping then we can revisit the Jordan GOAT discussion. But he literally won every single time for 6 years...with a year off in between to play ****ing baseball. So pointing to a Pistons series towards the beginning of his career is kind of irrelevant for the LeBron discussion