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Originally Posted by Victor
cleveland is garbage without lebron. ppl think love and irving are these great players but they really arent. they are solid. they are not all time greats and likely dont hall of fame. if they do, it is largely bc of lebron. pippen and rodman hall of fame regardless.
No issues with Pippen, but the majority of Rodman's Hall of Fame stuff was pre Bulls.
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Originally Posted by Victor
heres the thing, this cavs team does not usually make the playoffs without lebron. I mean, they may sneak in with 35 wins some years but they arent sniffing 40 wins.
They make the playoffs. Easy. I'm so confused by why people don't think they do. Not better than a Bulls team that has one good player? Ditto Indiana?
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Originally Posted by Victor
wat? they made consecutive finals and won once. they smashed the heat despite lebron going for 29 a game with insane efficiency and usage. lebrons bulk stats werent incredible 29/8/4 just bc the games were usually out of hand by midway through the 3rd qtr.
spurs just stifled the rest of the heat. offensively, they were excellent.
I'll give them that they played 3 sensational games in a row to close out Miami in the year they won it. Three of the most complete games you'll ever see played. Outside that, they have tended to be sensational in the regular season and just okay in the playoffs in the last 8 years.
Comparing them to the Jazz.
Malone 97/98 > Duncan 13/14
Stockton 97/98 > Parker 13/14
SA remainder of roster > Utah remainder of roster
I think it's close.
I haven't singled out KL as at that stage (21 years old), he was still growing into the player we know him to be.