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LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163

View Poll Results: GOAT?

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181 30.37%

MJ (Michael or Maple)

318 53.36%

Therapist

8 1.34%

George Mikan

5 0.84%

Shaq Attaq

21 3.52%

Wilt the Stilt (100 pts yo)

13 2.18%

Timmy "Big Fundamentals" Duncan

20 3.36%

"Roger Murdock"

3 0.50%

Enchanted AIDS Wang (er, HIV+?)

9 1.51%

Larry Legend (+ HM to Bill Russell's laugh)

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04-23-2016 , 03:01 PM

#2651

DodgerIrish

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Originally Posted by Wrane

i can't remember enough about that dragic situation but his stats playing SG that year were noticeably better (obvs except assist). not saying attitude problems aren't an issue but i was under the impression that our team is representing the world and egos would be pushed aside in favour of winning and saving humanity.

unless curry is going to complain to the media about having to be a pure offscreen shooter...

and for yr examples, i'm sure there are counter examples somewhere. eg. Love & Kyrie + Lebron being a better 'fit' than Bosh & Wade + Lebron... (but it taking Bosh to buy into the duties necessary and change his gameplay).

ah who knows, maybe yr right

i just have this feeling that how players play now are just products of their situations and not some inherent style and that i'd rather err to the side of talent & physical freakiness -- (makes me think of that story of MJ taking it to heart to defend Kukoc)

unless yr dwight howard

right, that's the root of the disagreement. Same disagreement I have with VM. Dragic brought his inherent style to SG. But he's a human being and didn't want to be matched up on defense against bigger size the entire game and, going back to my other point, he also wants to be the quarterback. He wants the ball in his hands.

It's a bit of coach worship with the other viewpoint tbh. It's like a general, he can put his soldiers in the best position and use strategy but he can't change who they are.

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04-23-2016 , 03:03 PM

#2652

DodgerIrish

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Originally Posted by Wrane

i mean that's my assumption, yah

and I'm not saying Bron wouldn't obv be better than otherwise but Kawhi is prbly the GOAT wing defender.

to say Bron could be that, while potentially accurate, isn't a small thing. I think even if Bron could possibly eclipse Kawhi as a defender overall, Kawhi would still be the better defender of 2's (MJ)

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04-23-2016 , 03:06 PM

#2653

C-Viggity

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Prob having PRIME KAREEM as my C if I'm gonna have anyone

Curry
MJ
Durant
Bron
Kareem

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04-23-2016 , 03:07 PM

#2654

Wrane

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yeah, that's it

i guess at this point i am willing to concede that i do not know enough to claim or disclaim whether MJ and Lebron James and Steph Curry and Shaq are willing/capable to defer the ball to CP3 for the greater good of the team or not

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04-23-2016 , 03:21 PM

#2655

DodgerIrish

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well I don't either, just my 2 cents

Shaq doesn't have a choice tho

Real bigs are reliant on guards to get them the ball, it's why China was always so sad w/ Yao. They couldn't even get him the ball.

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04-23-2016 , 03:33 PM

#2656

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Originally Posted by DodgerIrish

4 guys that want the ball in their hands pretty much at all times, not just shooting, but actually control of possession

difference between a GOAT team and a collection of GOATs

That's the debate. When making an all time team in any sport do you take the players that you think would have the best results or just simply take the best player you can at every position?

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04-23-2016 , 03:35 PM

#2657

DodgerIrish

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seemingly the debate is usually comparing generations

it becomes do you compare them to their contemporaries or whether they could actually play with guys today (Wilt def could as an example)

construct a team vs collection of individuals is more nuanced than it usually even gets to. Plus most don't even comprehend the distinction (not here)

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04-23-2016 , 03:50 PM

#2658

Baltimore Jones

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I'd argue that if you have to choose only one of MJ/Curry while still having access to everyone else, you have to choose Curry and it isn't close. You can get the slashing/scoring from others, but the 3 point threat Curry would give isn't replaceable AORN.

Defense would be the only argument against.

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04-23-2016 , 03:54 PM

#2659

DodgerIrish

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ya, ur right. I originally built from PG out, trying to take the team approach first, but you really need to just start w/ Curry and go from there.

Team 2 is better

You could have a 5 other than Duncan but the communication and switching between Bron/KG/Duncan would be amazeballs. Duncan is the defensive fulcrum.

Bron and Curry could play a 2 man game offense surrounded by intelligent team first GOATs who would just be screening and cutting left and right, getting offensive boards. The other 3 are better on the defensive side but AS worthy on the offensive end as well. It's not Mutombo and Bruce Bowen.

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04-23-2016 , 04:01 PM

#2660

Baltimore Jones

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Would Curry Curry Kawhi LBJ Duncan be too vulnerable defensively?

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04-23-2016 , 04:06 PM

#2661

DodgerIrish

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Duncan and Kawhi being worthy of being on the GOAT team goes right along w/ SA's performance (obv w/ Timmay old as dirt) co-existing in the same reality as the GOAT NBA team centered around Steph.

The fact that Bron's Cleveland is there as the #3 team reminds me of Willy Mays/Mickey Mantle/Duke Snider all being the CF's in NY baseball at the same time.

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04-23-2016 , 04:07 PM

#2662

DodgerIrish

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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones

Would Curry Curry Kawhi LBJ Duncan be too vulnerable defensively?

are you intentionally listing Curry twice?

my team that I was referencing was Curry/Kawhi/Bron/KG/Duncan

that team is that exact opposite of vulnerable defensively

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04-23-2016 , 04:12 PM

#2663

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curry/mj/durant/kawhi with a center of (robinson/hakeem/kareem) is the answer for the perfect team. lebron and Mj are too repetitive

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04-23-2016 , 04:26 PM

#2664

Baltimore Jones

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Yea I listed Curry twice on purpose if you could clone people. I think tut once said Jordan Jordan LBJ Rodman Shaq in the old days.

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04-23-2016 , 04:34 PM

#2665

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guard defense is by far the least important so no, that would be fine. Prbly want KG to be safe though. Curry/Curry/Bron is redundant. Just let Thing 1 and Thing 2 do their thing.

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04-24-2016 , 08:15 AM

#2666

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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn

Curry and lebron would complement each other pretty well I think.

Most possessions, Curry stands in the corner doing nothing and shoots when Lebron passes to him.

When it's Curry's turn to create, the D leaves Lebron open to clank a three.

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04-24-2016 , 09:07 AM

#2667

Lego05

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What is this 3>2 shorthand here? I can't figure it from context.

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04-24-2016 , 09:48 AM

#2668

JayTeeMe

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Are you Sam Mitchell?

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04-24-2016 , 10:44 AM

#2669

C-Viggity

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Two currys on defend when the other team has jordans and CP and durant or whoever. No thanks

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04-24-2016 , 12:10 PM

#2670

THAKID

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Durant Kiwi Lebron is your 2-4 on any goat teams
Who you PG and Center are gets interesting
I'd go cp3 at PG, his defensive ability is a big deal

not sure at center but really just want the best defensive one that isn't slow and rolls and finishes at the basket well
Young Shaq ? Hakeem? Orlando dwight ?

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04-24-2016 , 12:32 PM

#2671

Kowabunghole

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Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Dwight

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04-24-2016 , 01:27 PM

#2672

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Originally Posted by THAKID

Durant Kiwi Lebron is your 2-4 on any goat teams

What?????

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04-25-2016 , 10:31 AM

#2673

florentinopeces

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You people probably think Floyd would beat Hearns or Hagler. More professional training and all that ****.

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04-25-2016 , 02:15 PM

#2674

tarheeljks

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Originally Posted by AllBlackDan

Where is TWOG?
We need to hear his insight on the best starting 5 OAT

would love to hear his thoughts on curry being to short to create shots

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04-26-2016 , 01:46 AM

#2675

florentinopeces

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Certainly not tough enough to create shots back then. He'd just be Joe Dumars if he were playing in the 90s.

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