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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
They're pretty good though. Offense hasn't generally been their problem.
Their offense has frequently paled in comparison to their opponent during a given series, despite having equal talent (or better)
So their offense underachieves given the circumstance, environment, and given what their equally-talented opponent is doing.. examples: 2009, 2011, 2014.... those are years where an equally-talented opponent (or less) displayed a far superior offense to the cavs' 1 seeded teams
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
So, because I proved your dynasty thing wrong, you are now saying every champion.
using every champion is a stronger argument than just the dynasties.. and you know it
the dynasties average higher assist rankings, as do ALL the champions as a whole - so i was right on all counts
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Do you think that LeBron would have 5+ Championships if each season his team averaged 0.8 assists more per game?
if only it was that simple... let's review
i told you that lebron's teams had significantly lower assist rankings
you made several posts arguing they didn't, which included introducing the assist percentage stat... so i use your stat and it turns out they STILL had significantly lower rankings, and now you're forced to argue that it wasn't a big deal in the first place
what a joke, and i've gotten the upper hand in every argument.. mods, it's time to lock the thread
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
11th to 17th isn't a correlation. To put it in perspective last year the difference between 11th and 17th was 2%, or the equivalent to about 0.8 assists.
11th to 17th is a significant gap and your attempts to save face are obvious.. Accept it - Lebron's teams have significantly lower assist rankings than the average champion -
now that we know for sure, here's the correct narrative:
Lebron's point-forward style turns teammates into lower-assist play-finishers, so his team is forced to win a harder and less likely way that includes below-average assist rankings compared to other champions - this helps explain his 3/14 championship frequency, which is less than other greats, despite having equal supporting talent (or more).
his point-forward style and inability to dominate another way is a knock on him compared to other all-time greats, who achieved better championship frequency by playing in a way that gave their team a better chance
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Good point about Pippen. He was one team mate. Pity MJ's ball hogging wanting to score all the time prevented the other Bulls players from developing.
what other bulls were prevented from developing?
horace grant?.. no... his stats also rose dramatically under jordan, just like pippen's.
bj armstrong and paxson's stats also increased under jordan.. and after those guys, there IS nobody else..
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
Yep. Pippen's scoring went up 4ppg, Grant averaged 2ppg more, Armstrong 2.5ppg more. All career highs for all 3 players and likely to have been more if not for the recruitment of two scorers in Kukoc/Kerr.
Pippen's scoring didn't increase 4 ppg - it increased 1 ppg from it's previous high/max capacity.. ditto Grant:
PIPPEN 1992:. 21.0.. 7.7.. 7.0.. 50.6%
PIPPEN 1994:. 22.0.. 8.7.. 5.6.. 49.1%
GRANT 1992:. 14/10 on 57.4%
GRANT 1994:. 15/11 on 52.1%
Pippen and grant's high's were essentially the same alongside Jordan as they were without him - so they played to full capacity alongside jordan.
Otoh - Wade, Bosh, and Love's highs alongside Lebron are nowhere near their highs without him, so they played far below full capacity alongside Lebron.
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
1990 they missed a championship by one game. Man, if only MJ had given up that scoring title so that his team could have developed more and they probably win it that year.
this argument was proven wrong because everyone reached their maximum, full capacity stats (their highs) alongside jordan, or close to it - see pippen and horace's stats above
otoh, players see their highs decline significantly alongside lebron, so his game prevents them from achieving their full capacity max stats
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Last edited by 609; 08-14-2017 at 08:40 AM.