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Originally Posted by capone0
Except Larry Hughes had one good year, his contract year.
you guys are something else with your excuses
here's the facts: lebron got a 22/6/5, 1st team all-nba defender to mold into a superstar, and he failed
otoh, jordan got a scrawny,
weak-minded, 7 ppg rookie, and
succeeded in molding him in his own image as a superstar, 2-way player
again, quit with the sad excuses.. lebron simply reduces the game of good players - we see it time and again
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Originally Posted by capone0
Like z wasn't a bad teammate but you're treating him like he was Shaq or something. He was an good center in a very weak era of the NBA.
exactly - lebron enjoyed the benefit of a top 3 center in the conference (all-star), so his 2nd option was FAR better relative to his competition than pippen in 1989, who was a nobody on the totem pole of eastern conference sf's..
infact, lebron's THIRD option in the 06' and 07' seasons was veteran larry hughes - his 22/6/5 and 1st team all-defense in 2005 (the year before joining lebron) showed that he was far better relative to his competition than 2nd year pippen, just like all-star zydrunas.
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Originally Posted by capone0
Z basically had stats with more blocks like grant and we know you basically claim grant wasn't that great.
You continue to exaggerate and will be called out for your bs.
zydrunas was a highly skilled center who was frequently given the ball to create offense, while also being a good rim protector..
otoh, horace grant was a play-finishing big that virtually every team has - no one thought for a nano-second to give him the ball to create offense
and gimme a break with the whole "horace only averaged 3 less points and 1 less block" argument
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
Did you see any of these people play?
did you see 89' pippen play?.. he was aids
lebron's early rosters were superior to jordan's by virtue of his 2nd option being a 2-time all-star, and his 3rd option was a 22/6/5, 1st-team, all-nba defender.. that's way better than 2nd year pippen in 89', who was a nobody
lebron's later rosters were also better - before bosh/love joined lebron, they were superstar #1 options with better stats than pippen ever had - they were arguably the best at their position, just like pippen..
yet they were lebron's 3RD options!!!.. lebron still had wade/kyrie, smh.. and remember - zydrunas/hughes were better than any 2nd option jordan had thru 89'
so jordan definately had less help, which is why he scored 7 more ppg in the playoffs thru each players first 3 rings (31 yrs old), with equal assists.. see the linked stats
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
Did you see any of these people play?
there's a gross misperception regarding just how weak jordan's cast was relative to his competition, and how
decent lebron's was relative to his..
however, previous posts itt give proper perspective:
rookie Jordan entered the league on a Sixers-level roster in a tough conference like the current West, so 44 ppg on 51% wasn't enough to win 1st Round.. otoh, rookie Lebron entered the league with an all-star Center teammate in perhaps the weakest East ever, so 25 ppg on 45% won ecf (and 24 ppg on 43% in ecsf).
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Last edited by 609; 07-17-2017 at 08:16 AM.