LeBron so good he starts more games than he plays. GOAT

Dunno how he pulled off getting taller, but it's LABRON, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

can't tell who is being serious itt

sure. but it's not too early to compare what they've done through this point in their careers

Awesome post SRM.

The post is mostly accurate though the Cavs got worse other than just losing him the year after he left.

I looked at that cavs roster he got to the finals yesterday for a laugh. They were giving sub 50% ts larry hughes 37 mpg as their "shooting" guard.

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LeBron absolutely has the GOAT single season peak:

2008/2009 regular season: 31.7 PER, .591 TS%, .318 WS/48
2008/2009 playoffs: 37.4 PER, .618 TS%, .399 WS/48

That ties Jordan for the modern-era PER record in the regular season, and just crushes the playoff record for anyone that made it out of the first round. All while playing insane D under a huge minute load.

3-year peak I'd still give to Jordan since he was more consistent from 88/89 to 90/91 then Bron's been for any 3-year span. 5-year peak might be too close to call. Probably comes down to what Bron does this next week and a half whether his 09-13 span beats out MJ from 88-92.

So awesome. Started from the first post. Loved this.

Lebron has to finish his career off strong with more rings and MVPs. But Ill take his 1st 10 years over Jordans. 1 ring(might be 2 in a few weeks) and 4 MVPs vs 3 rings and 3 MVPs.

Its close.

If you want to go by age its even more impressive in Lebrons favor.

Also, Lebron just entered his prime last year. And his pre prime was already amazing.

1<3. 1<<<<<<3 straight

3 straight >>>>> 4, but 4 >>>>>> 2 straight, also 4 >>>>> 1 and 2 >>>>>> 3 if one of the 2 was a leap year

Most of your post was pretty good, but the bolded sentence is ridiculous. LeBron did everything a human being can possibly do for a basketball team in 2009. IMO it was the best NBA season of all-time. It certainly wasn't "pre-prime" for anyone.

It's an interesting argument because I would argue Jordan was a better player in some of the title years than during his PER peak years pre-title. Same with Labron, it seems his defense is much better, his outside shooting is better and he can post up. I think he's a better player now than in 2009.

He's coached by Assani who is noted for his ability to improve height via training

MJ 99+++ LaBron only 98

He's become a better jump shooter in the last few years, especially this year. He's less "stoppable" than he was even last year. His percentages from 16-23ft and Three are at personal highs.

Interestingly, just this year he really lowered his shot attempts form 16-23. Since he's been in Miami the three point attempts are much lower than in Cleveland.

The primary reason for the drop in PER for Jordan was the decreased volume. LeBron's PER this year was right at a career high despite decreases in volume.

I actually kinda feel like his defense was better in Cleveland. I mean it's still amazing, and it's really close, but I think as he's getting older, he kinda "saves himself" on D just a tiny bit, and isn't quite the same disruptive force that he was at 24/25. He's definitely a more complete player now, and has some different skills that he didn't have before, but I don't think it quite makes up for the extra little bit of athleticism he had back then, and the stamina he had to attack the rim 40 minutes a game, night after night.

At the same time, he could just be saving himself more because he knows he doesn't need to play at 100% all the time with the team he has. If he's really just been holding back an extra gear this whole season until the 2nd half of Game 5 last night, then he might be better after all. Have to see what happens against San Antonio in the Finals.

If SA wins title this year I would have to argue that TD > LJ. This thread should be who's had a better career so far TD or LJ. Jordan is on another level for his career.

this thread is not about who had a better career, that's the issue

Yeah, I mean, we can have the "has Labron had a better career than X", but it's a foregone conclusion that the answer is YES for all but one player.

and the competition? he beat some lolWiz team, a Nets team with Kidd/Vince, then one of the last decent teams from that Pistons run. must have been the year that labron had that sick finish in that game against Detroit? anyway, s'ok, but Jordan lost to a 59-win Bucks team his rookie year, the 86 & 87 Celtics, then the 88-90 Pistons. ok maybe the GOAT player would have willed his teams to wins in some of these series, but that's some pretty tough sledding imo.

i think people are ignoring a lot of contextual stuff here, or are trolling hard.

Maybe the GOAT would have got his team a little better seed so they didn't continually have to go against the 1 and 2 seeds in the first round? If you put aside the years where MJ's Bulls had losing records, and look at when they were actually making the playoffs, it's pretty much the same story as LeBron in Cleveland. They each had to deal with the Celtics and the Pistons when the rest of the East was pretty much ****. The difference is LeBron actually beat those teams without help some of the time whereas MJ couldn't do it until he had Phil and Scottie was an all-star.

Those pistons teams from mid 2000s were perfectly fine comp. A lot of first round matchups are laughable. Dude went full nuclear on them.

BTW, records in playoff series through their age 27 season:

Jordan: 9-6
LeBron: 15-6