Oh, my mistake.

I would answer "No" to your question.

So would I. Asdf and likely Dean would apparently say Yes, and asdf thinks it's so interesting and close that he wants to start a new thread and take a poll on it.

Lol at them then

where the hell did you even get these stats?

why you included labron on the 2010-2011 cavs is beyond me.

updated stats because trainwreckog is a [redacted]:

2011: 5
2010: 5
2009: 5 (6 over 0.6)
2008: 5

LeBron's game isn't based on dribble penetration any more than Jordan's was.

Better question: How would MJ be able to score in a league where zone defense was legal when he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from outside and was a completely one dimensional interior scorer until after his first retirement. It's still a stupid question, but nowhere near as stupid as your question.

why call names? my numbers were right, i think someone changed the stats for 2009 - the numbers said 8 yesterday. i'm going to have to watch and see if they are changing numbers on there. they changed jordan's 2002 PER from 22.9 to 20.7 i noticed as well. very shady... but i'm making a list of the stats that have changed so it's all good. whoever's doing it; i'm on to them..

anyway, back to the point...

do you want me to go by percentages or 3 pt shots made? because that would show the difference in 3-pt ability even better.

and why are we arguing this?

it is a fact that the league shoots 3's FAR better than in the 90's. it's not close. by any metric you want to use, this is the case.

you guys fighting this is laughable. you should be ashamed.
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Jordan has more last minute highlights.

a clever ploy, but you forget we are in a forum of knowledgeable basketball posters.

and they have youtube. so you cannot pull the wool over anyone's eyes by making this statement.

anybody can go look at game tape and see that mj was goat operating off-the-ball and from the post. that is irrefutable and common knowledge.

and lebron is a very long way off in these areas. knowledgeable posters know this.

it's too early to get so desperate. the series is not over yet.

and you conceded that your subsequent point was "stupid", so i won't bother address it. again, knowledgeable posters..

and jordan averaged more assists in the finals - 11.4 (1991), and pts 41 (1991) than lebron ever has. of course lebron can't average as many points as mj, ever.

compared to mj, lebron's offensive repertoire is so ridic limited.

has he dropped 40 in this year's playoffs yet? not sure mj ever went a playoffs without dropping 40..
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Change thread title to MJ vs Timmy GOAT Discussion.

one dimension

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...verage-player/

Jordan never scored under 20 in a finals game, LeBron has scored under 20 four times in the finals. Sucks when the lights shine brightest, huh?

Tony Parker was 5 feet past LBJ on the big shot in last nights game. LBJ left his feet and was useless. You would never have seen MJ be that far out of position on a shot that big.

LBJ was so out of position he had time to land on his feet turn around and watch parker maker the shot...lol

Haha, if this was Bron and KD, and Bron first eye-gouges, then punches him in the face, and then KD GETS EJECTED, guys like trainwreck would basically never stop linking it until the internet exploded, he would be called a cheap bitch constantly, and the league would be rigged in his favor, etc

And he also said Larry Bird was only considered great because he was white. I don't think I'm going to take his opinion too seriously.

Its absurd to say he would need 6 championships to become the GOAT. MJ didnt need to set a record for championships, didnt need to get more than the previous GOAT, and in fact didnt even need to win 6, to become the GOAT. Why would Bron need 6?

Yep.

LeBron would never step to anyone the way Jordan did.

Considering he'd prob get a 5 game suspension, that's probably a smart move.

Sure, thats the way to spin it as negative when he DOESNT act like a little bitch. I was never doubting your ability, just helping out in case a year from now he does, you won't have to scramble.

I do think that the whole "how can you be considered an elite defender when you can only defend like 60% of the players in the league?!?!" thing would be a standby of the old timers if anyone in the history of the game before Bron could have done what he can do. Its just hard to take it as a "self-evidently crucial difference" between the two when its also a difference between Bron and every other human on the planet.

so much superior skill in this game and in every game mj played.

the dunk at 1:48 is an example - someone post a dunk of lebron where he takes guys off the dribble and then does a two-foot leap for a dunk at the rim.

it will be VERY hard to find. but i could post maybe a hundred such dunks of mj, in addition to the one-leg variety lebron sticks to.

you ask why lebron gets locked down from time to time against the very best comp - this is one small reason why (actually not that small).

lebron has plenty of tape of him with overpowering drives to the hoop, but that isn't enough against the best. premium footwork is needed - kobe had it, dirk had it, and mj had more footwork than both.

lebron doesn't even need his footwork to be as good as mj, but it needs to be better than it is. that's part of the reason lebron doesn't go to the post that much. because his post game is not elite.

why would he want to go down there when he isn't that great at it?

easier to stick with what he is elite at, which is off-the-dribble, even if there are times when this style is highly suboptimal.

You are reaching. Noone who knows bball would ever call lebron the GOAT right now. Its simply a troll