If Dwight Howard makes it to the HOF, I'll never watch basketball of any sort ever again.

What's your new sport?

Dwight's close to a certainty.

Can't image an 8 time all star doesn't make it.

Yeah, he's a stone cold lock.

Dwight is top 40 all time in career PER and top 50 all time in WS/48....he's a lock. I don't love him anymore but he's getting in.

LOCKS
Bron
Wade
Dirk
Durant
Cp3
Pau
Melo
Manu
Bosh
Curry
Parker
Dwight

Likely Lock
VC???--I think he may be a lock
RWB-soon will be full locks
Harden-soon will be full locks
Kawhi-soon will be full locks
Davis-his regular season stats say full lock to me; his injuries/lack of playoffs say otherwise (similar boat as Cousins but Davis has more accolades)

Fringe
George-probably a lock but not as sure
Butler-not sure
Love-being on Cavs helps but his stats are also hurting from it
Blake-injured too much
Kyrie-similar boat to Love
Wall-not as sure as others

Not sure
Cousins-has the stats just always on garbage teams
Klay-if the Warriors win a few more he's probably in a near lock
Dray-same as Klay, might be above him
Deandre-just don't love the guy so not sure
Aldridge
Dame
Drummond
Lowry
Horford

Young Studs-
Giannis
Porzingus
KAT
Gobert
Embiid-injuries will determine his legacy
Jokic

3x DPOY
8x all star
8x all NBA team
14-15 year career

That s hall of fame credentials.

Gotta respect that.

when jordan faced great competition he lost. the warriors and spurs that beat lebron were far better than the teams that jordan beat.

and ofc I said kyrie was a star. reread it. everyone else was saying he was top 25-30 and I said he was a perennial all star and top 15 but not a sure fire hall of famer.

lol dude you are simply a stupid person. just bc you feel a certain way and then assert it as fact does not make it true. your mistake is that you come into this forum where every single person is smarter than you and spew straight up falsehoods.

"in the other finals" he was not "far worse." check the $tat$. its amazing to me that you would actually think that and then go on to state it. he has 3 finals mvps, so obv he was pretty damn good in those 2 other finals.

in 2015 his numbers were so stellar that many ppl in the media thought he should win mvp despite losing. playing without your best 2 teammates and making it competitive tends to do that.

in 2014 he again put up amazing numbers but got absolutely no help and the spurs played at a high level. but there is really not much more you can do when usage is 32.9 and ts is .679. on 28/8/4.

other ppl have posted stats showing that his clutch numbers are amazing and just as good as jordans. so your ps is blatantly false and another piece of your addled imagination and illogical brain.

heres a hint, if you dont want to sound like an idiot, do some actual research and learn something. google "lebron james stats." google "lebron james clutch stats." dont just make sht it up.

or continue to pull sht out of your idiotic head and let me continue to make fun of you.

and I am just talking about the finals and leaving out some of his other iconic series and games vs the pistons, celtics and bulls.

yes he played poorly against the mavs. if you want to say that bc of that series he is not on mj level then fine, I wont argue. but you clowns try to denigrate the rest of his career and that angers me bc I am offended by stupidity.

In a world with Tmac as a hall of famer I think kyrie is a lock imo (barring him getting injured and not playing ever again).

If you replay his career on the kings with no postseason accolades I'm not quite sure though.


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we all know that you were not "watching a show." bc ppl like you do not make an effort to learn. that would involve approaching things with an open mind and challenging preconceived notions.

you guys dont do that. you stake out a position and then actively avoid any data that may apply.

you seem to think that other ppl are just as stupid as you are and wont actually research the reality and find the true numbers.

but you are wrong at every level.

you do have a choice tho. continue to be wrong, or try to learn. I know which one you will choose considering that the facts have been presented to you in every way possible and yet you still refuse to acknowledge and continue to just pull sht out of your ass.

Fact: Lolbron

Yeah Kyrie will HoF solely because of Bron. He was a career loser before him. I still think Kyrie is really good and important for the Cavs and obviously helps Lebron in the playoffs since he can create vs anyone but he's an empty stats on bad/mediocre team guy without him.

Vince is a lock. Great college career + long nba career + dunk contest. He's an icon.

Dray and Klay are locks if the Warriors win 2 more ships. Probably still get in if they just win 1 more.

Too bad Jordan never had to face "great competition" in the finals since he never lost. If you're implying that maybe he and bron have had opposite roads, where LeBron feasts on demarres and demars, where Jordan went through mourning and Ewing and shaq, sure that makes some sense.

Except Mike Jordan took out in order the end of Magic Johnson's showtime era, Clyde drexler, Charles. Barkley, Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton and then the arguable best PF and his hall of fame all time assists leader pg.

Bron has gotten styled on by 35 year old Bruce Bowen and Deshawn Stevenson in the finals.

I think a lot of people aren't looking at the big picture here. For the sake of argument, let's say LeBron is the GOAT.

Even if that were true, proclaiming him as the GOAT would be unethical. LeBron represents all the values that are wrong with this country's youth right now. He is a coward. He is insecure. He is an attention whore. He is arrogant, ignorant, and his own biggest fan. Basically, a watered down Donald Trump.

By putting him on a pedestal, we are sending a message to our youth that it's ok to view him as a role model. The consequences of that is potentially apocalyptic. Shame on you all for having no moral compass whatsoever.

fwiw 3m55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAEy0RfAU40

i find it disturbing that shows do not get the facts straight to promote a bias opinion and here it was maybe the case.

[QUOTE=Victor;52299973you guys dont do that. you stake out a position and then actively avoid any data that may apply.

you seem to think that other ppl are just as stupid as you are and wont actually research the reality and find the true numbers.[/QUOTE]

Accusing other on what your doing yourself,
talking out of your a$$ and saying you know people like us,etc.
You dont even know if i am a girl or man, gay or straight,old or young,etc.

Wonder whos more stupid, people you call them they are or thinking by calling them stupid you think it add more weights to anything you are saying lol...


Anyway i forgive you but please you should start to think a little bit because twice now you accuse me of saying i am stupid on thing i simply report from "credible" source.
Once Barkley and the other, that show up there.

As a disgusting of a human being that you claim LeBron to be, he has to punch a teammate in the face or become a degenerate gambler.

I guess he has to do a few more awful things before you ease up on him.

Yeah this really does nail exactly why I hate him so much. He just embodies so much of what's wrong with society and he's even responsible for a decent amount of it.

That is the greatest example of a "wanting it to be one way" post of all-time. Lol TuT. Not even trying at this point.

you forgot soft af, passive-aggressive, front-running b

I thought kobe was the one that got punched in his face by teammate.(shaq)

And isn't this a ***** gambling forum? wtf? oh no, jordan likes to gamble too much. such a terrible person.

it's close enough to argue and everyone has a right to their own opinion, but even nba stars and players from both eras give jordan the slight edge.

but of course some alpha, two plus two, power posters with years and years and tens of thousands of posts(mostly worthless) unequivocally know, without a doubt that lebron is the goat.

from an outsider, who only frequents this thread(casual sports fan in comparison) you guys look like fools pounding on you keyboards(we're the goat we're the goat). And viewing this thread is merely for entertainment. like watching monkeys throw **** at each other.

so carry on with the poo flinging. i like to see who has the nastiest piece to hurl!

Jordan was known to make big bets on the golf course and slow/no pay since he's MJ. On a gambling website you'd think that's a negative.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-06-...95_1_san-diego

One time Lebron raised millions for charity when he switched teams though.

Lol calm down , pms day ?

He did great some of the time but like i said... he did FAR worst in other finals..

Yeah he did good without help but you think jordan cant be good without help ?
unfortunately he could not reach the final when he face ALONE as well the celtics in 86 for example but strangely enough, we accuse him of failing even tho he ran 43.7ppg...

Just saying this to show that with help or not, a player can still perform well .
No excuses to play poorly.

I mean Jordan is above lebron for playoffs, final or not.

2011 17.8 ppg for lebron
2007 22 ppg

than much better
2012 28.6 ppg
2013 25 ppg

amazing in 2015 yeah
35.8ppg 13.3rpg and 8.3apg

but the point is comparing those performance of the 6 from jordan ...please...

Just in 1993 for Jordan it is 41 ppg 8rpg and 6.3 apg...
or 1992 35.8ppg 6.5apg 4.8 Rpg, not has good has lebronin 2015 but pretty close.

Point is, stellar lebron is not usual while jordan is.


i just did and no where we see lebron exceeding jordan, as whole jordan is still ahead with better perforrmance.

ps: i followed your advice, i did google it.
http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/nba...tml/?a=viewall

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ran...tml/?a=viewall

Good post. Any person who gives himself the nickname "King James" while still in high school is not someone who we should be encouraging kids to look up to. If we care at all about preventing a future generation of attention-whoring cowards and want to instead raise a future generation with traits of humility, courage and leadership we should be encouraging kids to follow actual role models such as Kawai Leonard.