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LeBron = GOAT Containment Thread: SABR42, LuckyLloyd, & borg23 Co-MVPs b/c of post #20163

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05-28-2016 , 08:56 PM

#2701

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It's not LeBron's fault that they have not played many very good teams along the way but it diminishes the accomplishment. The 2011 Pacers were pretty good I guess. Anybody else?

Indiana was 2013 and 2014. Chicago was 2011, Rose MVP year. Celtics 2012 (Bosh was hurt this series, why it went 7...Celts were on their last legs for this 1)

Those teams were all very good defensive teams but not championship level on the offensive end.

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05-28-2016 , 09:20 PM

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the bulls has the best regular season record, which apparently only matters when you're in the west and you get knocked out, then you were a great team facing a tough conference.

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05-28-2016 , 09:29 PM

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Agreed with Wade and Bosh but you can't be of the opinion that Kyrie and Love suck and then call them 'all stars' and suddenly they're great players. Either they are or they aren't.

I'm of the opinion kyrie and love suck? I'm not the biggest love fan I guess but I think you have me confused with someone else.

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05-29-2016 , 12:34 AM

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the bulls has the best regular season record, which apparently only matters when you're in the west and you get knocked out, then you were a great team facing a tough conference.

Things matter when they can be used to discount LBJ and don't matter in other circumstances. Imagine if he won an elimination game w a teammate playing the way Klay just did. The entire postseason would have an asterisk next to it- see: Allen, Ray 2013. You know, the series he dropped 37 & 12 in game 7 of the NBA finals while chasing around Tony Parker and holding him to 8 points. That's the championship he won that "doesn't count". He's held to an entirely different standard than anyone in NBA history, but no one wants to admit it or why that may be the case.

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05-29-2016 , 04:55 PM

#2705

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Ray Allen hitting that 3 saved LeBron's legacy. Imagine if Ray Allen hit 11 3s that game instead of the last one.

Klay Thompson hitting 11 3s doesn't save Steph's legacy it was Durant and Westbrook choking.

*Narratives.

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05-29-2016 , 05:41 PM

#2706

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Except Steph actually closed too.

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05-29-2016 , 09:37 PM

#2707

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I'm usually on the LeBron side in these sort of arguments because all the usual bla bla choking bla bla runs off to team up with allstars stuff is so dumb, but some of the stuff being said in here is ridiculous. 5/6 finals in the West, which would mean magically turning around the result of at least two (and probably three by next week) results? Quoting overall records vs the different conferences to try to argue that the Western PLAYOFFS wouldn't be harder? Cmon guys you are better than letting tzwien be the logical thinking one in an argument...

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05-29-2016 , 09:38 PM

#2708

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The West is such a trap that it's being counted against SA that they didn't get out of the 1st round twice when that LAC team was better than any team Miami faced in their 4 years in the EC.

Don't you dare try to tell me any of those Indy teams were better. I'm warning you.

62 win 2011 Bulls were better, but yea overall point stands.

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05-29-2016 , 10:36 PM

#2709

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especially if your a bitch loser who has to hop around and team up with two all stars

Exactly. What Lebron did would be like Jordan, after winning nothing in his 1st six years saying "Sorry Chicago I'm gonna go play in Orlando with Shaq and Penny so I can win." Then after winning 2 championships telling the Bulls "OK I'll come back but Pippen isn't enough, I need more help, how about you go get me someone who averages 25 and 12, then maybe Ill have enough help to win." Never seen a man who needs more help to win.

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05-29-2016 , 10:54 PM

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oh ffs be more wrong

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05-29-2016 , 11:01 PM

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05-29-2016 , 11:53 PM

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Free agency was completely different in Jordan's era. Terrible comparison

Oh and if the Bulls got two busts instead of Pippen and Grant, Jordan probably would've joined Shaq and Penny. He wouldn't have hung around a band of losers. Bulls got lucky and were run better than the Cavs so they got Pip/Grant. If the Cavs somehow drafted two studs LeBron would've have left either. Instead he was carrying the team to 60+ win seasons with Larry Hughes as second banana

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05-30-2016 , 12:05 AM

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guys who stay too long in terrible situations, like KG, get forgotten and people think the Kobe's of the world are better than them. Jordan would have killed people in the Bulls front-office if they kept wasting his GOATness.

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05-30-2016 , 03:36 AM

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One player could not get out of the first round until a consensus top 50 player OAT was on his team, the other not only won every first round series he's ever played in, but led a team who would have won <30 games to the finals.

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05-30-2016 , 05:07 AM

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If Dominique Wilkins had played in LA alongside Magic, we'd be arguing whether Durant was better than Adrian Dantley.

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05-30-2016 , 04:04 PM

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In order to make it to five out of six Finals in the West, we would have to change two out of the Mavs/Spurs/Warriors series to wins just because they took place in the Conference Finals instead of the NBA Finals, and we would have to assume he's going to beat whoever comes out of the West this year. You're nuts.

this

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05-30-2016 , 04:45 PM

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this is one of the dumbest things ive ever read. LBJ made the finals with this roster, won 60+ games b2b years with this roster. no star in nba history, excluding maybe Dirk, has done as much with as little as LeBron. Guess how many playoff series Kobe & MJ, the two biggest winners evarrrr, won without "help" (Pippen, Shaq, Pau). im sure youll be shocked to learn the answer is 0. they were a combined 0-5 in playoff series "without help". LBJ, pre-decision, won 8 playoff series alone and made a finals. LeBron haters are truly the worst.

fun fact, Pippen won more playoff series (3 in 2 seasons) without Jordan than Jordan did w/o Pippen (0 in 3 seasons).

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05-30-2016 , 04:57 PM

#2718

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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22

This is some hot fire

It's also a very good collection of points

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05-30-2016 , 07:32 PM

#2719

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LeBron haters are truly the worst.

That's one thing we can truly agree on!

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05-30-2016 , 08:09 PM

#2720

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I have no idea how Cavs won 66 games in 2009 with that garbage ass roster.

2 non offensive big men, delonte west and Mo Williams.

This year's Cavs bench with LeBron is arguably better.

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05-30-2016 , 08:20 PM

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I have no idea how Cavs won 66 games in 2009 with that garbage ass roster.

2 non offensive big men, delonte west and Mo Williams.

This year's Cavs bench with LeBron is arguably better.

Dude was a straight miracle maker with that first run of Cavs teams.

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05-30-2016 , 08:24 PM

#2722

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That 2002 WCF Game 7 was epic. Was super pumped for that game.

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05-30-2016 , 10:08 PM

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This year's Cavs bench with LeBron is arguably better.

arguably? Delly Shump RJ LBJ Frye is infinitely better, fits so well around him. 2009 LBJ might be the highest level of basketball ever played.

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05-30-2016 , 11:01 PM

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The east blows. 6 finals in a row literally means nothing, especially if your a bitch loser who has to hop around and team up with two all stars

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4 Straight finals and then the Heat replaced Lebron with Dragic Whiteside and Deng and.....missed the playoffs