Yo, I was saying FOR QUANTITY LeBron is GOAT-ish. In my opinion for quantity only and he is clearly not GOAT player, only a GOAT statistics chart.

It's very telling that all the people who are the Lebron or 'either' side respect both players, but all the people clearly on the Jordan side have to resort to making up an endless stream of insults and name calling towards LeBron. It's clear which side the adults are on.

What? Both sides are terrible. Both think that their side is the only one making good posts.

FWIW I think the boss is on the MJ side (iirc).

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Statistical facts about Lebron's career


* #1 all-time in turnovers, missed shots and top 5 in missed FT's

* Inferior to Jordan at PPG, OREB, SPG, BPG, TO's, jumpshooting efficiency, FT efficiency, post, off-ball, clutch efficiency, game-winner efficiency, efficiency per possession (ortg), Finals win %, Playoff win %, regular season win %, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48

* 17 of 21 seasons were either lottery, 1st Round loss, sweep loss, record loss, upset loss or locked up in a loss

* 3 losses with 2 all-star teammates (11',14', 17') and 4 losses with favored talent/preseason favorites (11', 14', 15', 21')

* Less APG in playoffs than Jordan thru half their chips (pre-curry era)

* Zero all-defense for latter half of chips (no all-defense in his 30's/Curry era)

* Turns teammates into spot-up shooter (lowers their assists and increases their assisted rate)

* Zero young player development (zero young players increased from low producer to meaningful producer on his watch)

* Low assist teams

* Zero #1 offenses

* Worst championship record ever - lottery record on championship level with every cast (low team ceiling, aka low chemistry "Bron-ball)"

* Never carried weak help over top teams, aka never won a series vs top 5 SRS team with weak scoring and efficiency from sidekick (zero carry-jobs vs top teams in 2 decades)

* 16 on 39% thru 3 games of 13' Finals and 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6, so it was another 2011 choke but Ray Allen forced Game 7.. Heat didn't win with Lebron on floor in that series (zero plus minus and negative net rating for Lebron)

* Always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, so he never defeated max defensive attention (never carried scoring load on championship level)
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Isn't Kobe's career-high PER like 28?

If we're gonna argue with PER, let's do it wrt Kobe vs. LeBron.

LeBron's had eight season over 28, fwiw. Only five under 25 -- three of which were the last three seasons.

Kobe was under 25 all but three seasons

Kobe is 29th in career PER, behind Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, Hakeem Olajuwon, Karl Malone, Yao Ming, etc

Exhibit 349 of TWOG trying to have it both ways.

LeBron is a bum for underachieving with Wade, who was better than Kobe, yet Kobe is the 2nd best player of all time.

LOL.

1 more L would be a sweep, and 12 straight vs the nugz. goat oat (joker, that is)

Kobe couldn't do anything with a peak 27 year old Dwight Howard, but LeBron takes 34 year old corpse Howard to a championship.

How many MVPs and titles would it take for Jokic to become the GOAT? I imagine he'll be met with a lot of resistance, as his game is just not very appealing or marketable.

yeah he'd prob need ~5/5 for a lot of ppl to even consider him, but i doubt he'll end up with more than 2-3 rangz. will be interesting to see how many mvps he finishes with, should be on 4 rn, but they gave one to embuust bc he wouldn't stop whining for it

jokic doesn't give a **** about being goat. he prefers horses.

Letting voted-for awards affect your own opinion of the GOAT seems like a massive leak, and 'there's literally no amount' if you're talking about swaying the general public away from MJ

When it comes to being a GOAT, multiple MVPs and finals MVPs are pretty much a necessary qualification. Jordan's claim is largely based on his 6 finals MVPs (and well supported by 5 regular season MVPs).