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Im the biggest Harper guy around, but seriously this isnt even a discussion at this point. Bryce gottta lotta catchin up to do, but im sure he's up to the challenge.

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06-29-2012 , 09:05 PM

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good god man, its been what? half a season? Hopefully nobody is serious. Except for grear of course

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06-29-2012 , 09:25 PM

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What's WAR means?

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06-29-2012 , 09:40 PM

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I AM GREEAR

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When countries fight eachother

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06-29-2012 , 09:41 PM

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Wins Above Wheregreeear'sheadis

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06-29-2012 , 09:42 PM

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Phildo

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wins above replacement

this probably won't make a ton of sense to you if you don't know what war is but here is a fairly simple explanation of how to calculate war:

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/inde...calculate_war/

if you scroll down to the bottom of this article there are links to a 14 part in-depth series explaining how fangraphs calculates their version of war, commonly referred to as fwar (which prob won't make much sense to you either):

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/misc/war/

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06-29-2012 , 09:43 PM

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i believe it has a negative connotation

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06-29-2012 , 09:44 PM

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phildo, i didnt click that but i believe you actually made an attempt to help somebody who [I]might[I] be ignorant to a subject. Thats awesome and i wish more people in the baseball threads would do that. I've learned a lot here to be honest.

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06-30-2012 , 01:15 AM

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I disagree. Baseball thread does not need more idiots.

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06-30-2012 , 02:06 AM

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Trout and Harper basically have the same numbers/isos/k rate but Trout has a much higher BABIP. Harper also a year younger and more power potential. Trout is really awesome though

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06-30-2012 , 02:12 AM

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What's the comparision between Trout/Harper vs Jeter/A-Rod at the same age?

Are these 2 guys going to be the face of baseball for the next 20 years?

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06-30-2012 , 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

Trout and Harper basically have the same numbers/isos/k rate but Trout has a much higher BABIP. Harper also a year younger and more power potential. Trout is really awesome though

Trout is a few runs more valuable on bases and like 20 over the course of season in the field. Also much higher OBP (even longterm without this BABIP)

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06-30-2012 , 10:20 AM

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I propose a career war bet. Being the homer that I am, I'll take Upton. I'll also escrow. Takers?

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06-30-2012 , 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wondercall

I propose a career war bet. Being the homer that I am, I'll take Upton. I'll also escrow. Takers?

I'll take Trout for $1. I'll PM you for my dollar in 2032. GL.

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06-30-2012 , 11:05 AM

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of course upton is favored in a career war bet. he's a dog to worth more war than trout in the future though.

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Trout is a few runs more valuable on bases and like 20 over the course of season in the field. Also much higher OBP (even longterm without this BABIP)

trout also murdered aa and aaa while harper struggled.

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06-30-2012 , 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

Trout and Harper basically have the same numbers/isos/k rate but Trout has a much higher BABIP. Harper also a year younger and more power potential. Trout is really awesome though

well if you look at his minor league and career numbers trouts had a consistently high babip and hes also sporting a healthy 25% LD rate, so i dont think hes just getting super lucky right now as you seem to be implying.

some guys (super fast ones like ichiro and the aforementioned austin jackson for example) just have naturally high babips cus they beat out so many balls.

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06-30-2012 , 12:16 PM

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What's the comparision between Trout/Harper vs Jeter/A-Rod at the same age?

One of these players does not belong.

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06-30-2012 , 12:27 PM

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no u

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06-30-2012 , 12:35 PM

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fwiw heyward and stanton are both younger and better than upton as well.

name/age/career wrc+

upton 24 117
hewyard 22 121
stanton 22 132
trout 20 139

tough call here imo

Last edited by Phildo; 06-30-2012 at 12:38 PM. Reason: only one of these guys is playing cf though

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06-30-2012 , 01:32 PM

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Not even the best CF on his team apparently.

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06-30-2012 , 02:13 PM

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Stanton >>>> Trout

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06-30-2012 , 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by THEBIGYELLOWJOINT

One of these players does not belong.

Jeter because he's the only one guarenteed to make the Hall of Fame?

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07-08-2012 , 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by THAY3R

Trout and Harper basically have the same numbers/isos/k rate but Trout has a much higher BABIP. Harper also a year younger and more power potential. Trout is really awesome though

every day your trout ≈ harper comp gets a little bit more ridiculous