While it happens it doesn't happen on the LEVEL the Saints are on meaning a GM knowing of this and ignoring the situation all together. How do coaches, executives turn the other cheek knowing the ramifications would be if caught? Also why would they flat out deny it when it was clear the NFL had a TON of info stating otherwise? It doesn't help that Loomis helped with the vicodin cover up with Payton either. I see heads rolling in N.O. over this.

That is the least of your worries.... trust me!

Losing Carl Nicks is going to be worse than any lost draft pick or fine, I don't think Payton will get fired. And they turned the other cheek because they didn't think they would be caught obviously.

That being said, I was already pretty happy he was gone, but I'm now thrilled Gregg Williams is gone. What a joke running something like this in multiple places and documenting it knowing that the NFL has been placing a huge emphasis on player safety, let alone just from being awful ethically.

Yet you still have Loomis and Payton who knew of this and ignored it also. Williams is only part of the problem.

Yeah I know. I don't doubt they're facing some serious fines and probable suspensions, I just think that sliver of distance of knowing about it and not stopping it versus actually running it like Williams is going to save their jobs. I wouldn't be all up in arms PSU style if they do get canned though, this is obviously huge.

Loomis will be fired and Payton suspended and fined. Between this and the vicodin cover up, Loomis is gone for good.

Yeah I can see that happening. Benson is old and senile as **** though, who knows what he thinks will be appropriate.

He wont have a say. The NFL will lower the boom.

Media reporting that they expect punishment to be alot worse than spygate. Which was 750K in fines and a 1st rounder. So the saints are gonna lose atleast their 1st rounder next year as they have none this year and i would assume some lower picks if not another 1st rounder.

I know this is not gonna happen but how sick would it be if because of their cap problems they lose most of their big name free agents, and punishments from the league over this they lose their coaches for a few games and the saints just cant get it together on the field and end up having a terrible season with worst overall record. So they get the #1 pick in the draft but lose it gets taken away from them because of the bounty program.

Would be pretty funny to see this unfold.

My guess? 2nd and 3rd this year and a 3rd next year, suspensions for Williams(1 year), Payton(4 games), Loomis(6-8 games), fines for Loomis, Payton and every player involved as well as the Saints organization.

lol at the "was I only hit because there was a bounty on me?" **** that's going to come out now.

Come on Mr. QB, you're a target whether there is some ******ed bounty system or not.

lol Diana, the NFL isn't going to force the Saints to fire anyone

I don't think it matters if Loomis is suspended for x amount of games. He's the GM. There will be other sanctions against him, not a suspension from games.

Earlier, you said he would be fired and gone for good. And you have a habit of taking statements and making them into something they aren't, like then that player said Williams was the best coach he's ever PLAYED for, you said he was dumb because he thought Williams was the best coach ever or in the history or something. Let's get consistent please

Let's not nitpick shall we. While Bowen is giving his honest opinion it is quite flawed to say the least. My personal opinion is Loomis should be canned but the reality is he won't. This isn't his only transgression with the NFL.

I think this article really explains in full detail how much crap the Saints are going to be in:

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012...ounty-scandal/

From Mike Freeman yesterday, Ornstein(a convicted felon) was involved in sending e-mails to Sean Payton in both 2009 and 2011 regarding putting in money toward the bounty program for taking out quarterbacks. The NFL has its paper trail, and it ties this to other bad behavior, and ties Sean Payton to having direct knowledge. How do you have written emails and documentation of a bounty program where people, like big donors at major universities, are kicking in money on the side? Hubris.

This is the type of thing you expect to see in CFB, not the NFL. Insane that a bunch of coaches and players this wealthy opened themselves up to this situation over chump change. I mean, doesn't someone like Williams ever think, hey, guys move all over the league, dudes find religion, guys get in trouble and may look to trade my name to lessen their punishment? It may happen everywhere amongst players, and it may occur even with coaches, but it's simply idiotic to think you're going to get away with this forever with so many players moving through the system. All it takes is one guy finding Jesus, or one star who went broke 2 years after retirement wanting to write a tell-all book for rent, and the gig is up. These coaches not using an intermediary for plausible deniability about the whole situation is just stupid, and boggles my mind.

I don't think this case would have legs, but if it were to grow them the liability would be enormous so I can see why the NFL would be concerned.

What do you expect? Lots of people are shoplifters too but the ones who get caught red-handed are the ones punished. Pats got caught. Saints got caught and in a big way by the looks of it. We're now in the 6th year of the Roger Goodell era so the league's reaction to this last bit shouldn't be a surprise to anybody now. The Saints coaching staff knew the risk.

Like most everyone else here I'm sure bounties have been and are plenty common. Same with Spygate type situations. Or tampering. But when these things get to the league office what else are they supposed to do about it? If you're not going to enforce your own rules then there's no point of making them in the first place. They want to discourage these types of things so they have to react in a way that will be effective in doing that.

Sorry New Orleans, but you got caught first, suck it up. Maybe there will be more teams to follow. It's 2012 and these days you've got not just the NFL but players and their union always calling for the league to do more to emphasize player safety. You just can't have it both ways.

This reminds me of steroids in baseball. I wouldn't be surprised if Goodell and the league knew about this type of activity all along, and finally decided that this would be the time to make a PR move and punish them for it.

Thought this was interesting:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...headline_stack

Also:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d..._breaking_news

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franchise brees?

not good imo, means they are pretty much guaranteed to lose nicks and/or colston

Man Keith Bulluck's tweet is so tilting. I really hate when people talk about the pats recording teams practice and how it takes away from their SB win.

The paper that published the story of them filming the rams practice, printed a retraction like 2 months later and said their source failed to produce the proof he said he had and tunred out to be unreliable. Also Goodell said when he was finished his investigation that this supposed filming never took place.

If they can't find the cash I imagine so. But they can't risk losing Brees so not sure what else they could have done