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03-28-2017 , 10:03 AM

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JudgeHoldem

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I wonder how close to the stadium they will allow betting

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03-28-2017 , 11:14 AM

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In the stadium. Legal mobile betting (and live betting too!) within the state exists. I'd expect super awesome wifi to help support it but wifi isn't needed. Everyone gonna have their apps out pounding away. The question is if they allow advertising.

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03-28-2017 , 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem

I remember back in the day you couldn't bet on UNLV games. Maybe only their home games? Does anything like that still exist in Nevada / Las Vegas?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la...327-story.html

only issues are when those directly with a stake in hotel ownership own part of a team... it's random stuff right now, like no Celtics betting at the Flamingo. For 99% of situations, everything is a go.

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03-28-2017 , 12:56 PM

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If I had to put LV into tiers before this

1. Cowboys and Steelers
2. Raiders, Chargers, Broncos
3. Rams, Packers, Giants, Patriots, Seahawks
4. Every other old NE, MW city

You're ranking what here? Fanbases? Stadiums?

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03-28-2017 , 01:56 PM

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Ranking the size of the fanbases among Las Vegas locals

Not committed to anything but that's what I've experienced.

Only tier I'd stick to is the top one: there is a reason those are the teams we see on shelves next to UNLV and Dodgers merch in Walmarts and Targets.

My opinion of Broncos might be tainted since I've only resided in Vegas for a handful of years when the Broncos have been quite good.

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03-28-2017 , 02:11 PM

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man i bet there are very few falcons fans in vegas besides a few pokers players and strippers

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03-28-2017 , 02:30 PM

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Could it be that the fact the Raiders prior to this year have sucked for the past 13 years that it is a major reason they don't sell their gear in stores and their fans don't populate sports bars rooting for their team?

Now that the team is good maybe there are more Raider fans than previously thought?

They haven't just been mediocre, they've been the worst team in the NFL from 2003-2015 I believe.

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03-28-2017 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ShimmyBasis

First super bowl in LV is gonna be great. All the players will blow their rolls on the faro tables in the week leading up to the game, so everyone will be super motivated to earn bonuses in the big game.

fyp, Craps is more of a baseball players game iykwim.

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03-28-2017 , 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

So $1.9B / (65,000 people per game x 8 games/yr x 30 year stadium life) = $120.80 per ass that sits in a stadium seat for a regular season game (assuming they sellout every game)

It's a domed stadium in a leading convention and entertainment city in the world. They will have 10 NFL and about 7-8 college games a year along with 50+ major events, concerts, and conventions. I would expect it'll be a very rare week where nothing is happening there.

The stadium is unquestionably a great thing for Las Vegas and will do just fine. I still don't agree or support giving $750M in public money to it not to mention the $1B in road/freeway improvements they're probably going to have to do.

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03-28-2017 , 04:34 PM

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yeah unless there is a bad recession then I think that the stadium is going to be a cash cow.

UFC has an exclusive deal with the t-mobile arena but not sure when it is up. Maybe they would do a megafight there, boxing as well.

And fwiw, the 750M in public money is from hotel taxes, not the residents. So it probably won't effect consumer behavior or anything much.

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03-28-2017 , 06:10 PM

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It's not a cash cow for taxpayers

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03-28-2017 , 06:11 PM

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9ers need to be high on the list

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03-28-2017 , 07:16 PM

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They apparently think that they'll be able to draw 46 events per year source.

But of course, if those events are just cannibalizing things that would otherwise happen elsewhere in town, that's not worth much.

“From my perspective as an economist, the financial plan is just not serious...The notion that this facility is going to generate incremental concerts in the entertainment capital of the world is ludicrous.”

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03-28-2017 , 08:34 PM

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yup... just cannibalization (unless they add a MLS team as a response and Boyd might be appropriate for MLS with upgrades anyway)

Rugby 7s already at Sam Boyd. So is the bowl game and UNLV games (think they are being outrageously optimistic in thinking they can host NCAAB or NCAAF playoffs in Vegas). Mexico v Iceland futbol was just there.

Music Festivals already at Nascar track, in parking lot next to Circus Circus, in downtown lots, hell, at TopGolf's lawn.

This brings 10 Raiders games a year. The money for that is stuff locals would've spent on other entertainment or what tourists would've allocated to other trips to Vegas.

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03-28-2017 , 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

9ers need to be high on the list

damn... knew I would forget something... was doing off-the-cuff guesstimates. I find it beautiful how divided the city is and what Sundays in a sportsbook feels like. I think Vegas will miss that someday with the Raiders thing.

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03-28-2017 , 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

this is an economic fallacy

hotel tax = tax on residents

it's a trick to try and obscure funding

economists have looked at this, such taxes mean tourists spend that amount less on lodging, restaurants, shows, shopping, gaming, etc. The locals are paying for this. The costs get spread out in a million tiny cuts to obscure. concentrated gains and "hidden", diffused costs -- one of the oldest politican tricks out there

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03-29-2017 , 10:11 AM

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Ahhh it's gonna be a dome. Does LV have any open air stadiums currently? I was wondering how 325 lb linemen deal with the Nevada desert in August.

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03-29-2017 , 11:36 AM

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Ahhh it's gonna be a dome. Does LV have any open air stadiums currently? I was wondering how 325 lb linemen deal with the Nevada desert in August.

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03-29-2017 , 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AUGUY55

When was that picture taken? Everytime I see a Rebels game televised, it's in front of immediate family.

MM MD

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03-29-2017 , 01:27 PM

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Could be a Wisconsin game. They've played them a couple times in the last dozen or so years and each time Wisconsin came out with 30k+ fans to fill up the 40k seat stadium.

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03-29-2017 , 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise

how much are the hotel taxes? i'm sure you are right but just curious

I would think if they were small it wouldn't make much of a dent in behavior/consumer spending. I had it in my head they were just going to be able to nickel and dime tons of people.

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03-29-2017 , 03:23 PM

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Also the federal government winds up indirectly footing a lot of the bill in many cases

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/stadium/stad1025a.htm

(They should have done what the Broncos did to help finance the new Mile High, which was jack sales taxes up .1 % for locals and then tell them to stop being poor when they call Local Sports Talk Honk to complain)

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03-29-2017 , 03:32 PM

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I think the hotel tax is around $2/day per room for the new stadium on top of the already existing taxes.

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03-29-2017 , 03:37 PM

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Vegas is full and efficiency priced. Basically casinos will pay the tax in form of lower revenue. Doesn't change MT2R point which is correct. Also, opportunity cost is a thing. Even if this magical is a $~450 per taxpayer windfall we are then each handing our check right to a billionaire for the right to pay high prices for ****ty football.

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03-29-2017 , 03:41 PM

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Yeah I agree that the $2 tax could go to way better stuff but does a $2 tourist tax really change consumer vacation on a vegas vacation that much?

Anyone got a link? I'd like to read it.

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