bravo

Not entirely sure that's true

It's easier to organically build a fan base for an expansion team and easier to consistently draw crowds for an arena 1/5 the capacity

Not sure how many PSLs they'll sell and the games start 1 pm on a getaway day so not sure how attractive attending raiders games are for tourists

If I had to put LV into tiers before this

1. Cowboys and Steelers

2. Raiders, Chargers, Broncos

3. Rams, Packers, Giants, Patriots, Seahawks

4. Every other old NE, MW city

It's really split. Walmarts/Targets/Kohls usually stock Steelers and Cowboys with some of whoever else just won SB.

Having lived out West for a bit now and travelling often to Padres, Angels, Dodgers, Ducks, Kings, Sharks, NFL Cards, DBacks, Yotes games, it seems the people from NE and MW never take on the teams of the cities they move to beyond a distant second. Hell, they even raise their kids to cling to the "old city" teams. It's kind of depressing - like the number who support Mexico over US in soccer though they've rarely been to Mexico. Raiders will do well enough but I fear it will hurt LV tourism overall as part of the appeal is it's a neutral city where fans of any team come to spend a weekend. I wonder if Rams, Chargers, Niners, Broncos, and Chiefs fans are going to come for a weekend as much as they have been coming if it's "Raiders territory". The financial projections presented by the SNTIC was LOLz optimistic. They kind of ignored LV already has the most NFL tourism on any weekend and there can be some negative effects on such.

But, my primary concern is I think this really hurts the hockey team where the owner has done everything in an excellent manner thus far just to get the ****ty Davis family. It kind of shows my bias but I'd be much happier if the Raiders were the second LA team and it was the Chargers coming to LV.

*Treasure Island

Not sure why 10 NFL games will have a significant impact on the viability of hockey?

because NHL team success in Sunbelt US cities is all based on how many corporate boxes they can sell and for what price. The Golden Knights are now the second option of every local business in getting a box. The Knights and Raiders are competing for the same pool of funds.

I just don't consider Vegas to be a comparable market to other cities.

One could also argue the positive benefit of becoming a major sports city & sports destination.

Regardless, I think these are all theories & only time will tell, but I think it's good for the city.

Don't think hockey had or has a chance of succeeding. Raiders will succeed but historically bad deal (~1B public money no tax benefits rough math $450 per taxpayer) is historically bad. In a state with worst education in the nation.

Oakland gonna look like the old Marlins games attendance wise. Gonna be a ghost town.

Be funny to see Raiders bink a ring in their last year in Oakland

they should probably just play all their home games in Mexico

Yeah I guess we'll see. If the team is winning they might get behind them but the transplant population is huge.

I don't see why it being "raiders" territory would hurt fans from other teams going. You can watch the game then go to the airport.

We won't know for few years though. Going to be weird if they continue to build on what they did this year and it is 1 of the best teams in the NFL moving.

You would really put SD/Den in the same tier as Oak? Also, Oak fans from LA can make the trip since it is only a 3hr drive.

Also not sure if this has been mentioned but I'd assume they get a SB or two pretty fast as a thank you for all that taxpayer $? Sometime around 2021?

Probably put a CFB bowl game there as well or something.

The Raiders are obv the red headed step child of the NFL. Every few years they get sent packing.

I love sports as much as the next guy, but spending $450/taxpayer to subsidize billionaires and millionaires is depressing.

As a Chiefs fan, Raider hater, and a poker player...I LOVE this move. Now gives me a reason to go see a road game and hit up my favorite town at the same time.

yeah it is about the owners. Kroenke has big $ and big influence even though the Rams aren't near the entity the Raiders are in terms of history, fan base, etc

The fact the raiders woundup in Vegas despite 2 teams winding up in LA is pretty lol

these guys treat mark davis like he is fredo corleone

Bill Foley, the owner of the Vegas Golden Knights, is awesome.

Yeah... I've always thought hockey was in rough spot. I'm in a bubble as I'm at the ice rinks often and everyone in those places are gung ho. Personally, I just want hockey to survive. I'm excited by a cheap ticket option for live viewing (guess it's the UofI/Cards calibration of pricing). The potential NFL prices make my jaw drop. That's World Series game pricing in my mind. I paid less to see game 6 of Blues-Sharks WCF in San Jose last year at center ice than it costs for what they are saying a Raiders ticket will cost. :O

I don't get if people are willing to pay that much for NFL, they won't put a surcharge on tickets to cover public costs of stadium. Seems those using should be paying the bulk of it.

And, the price of the stadium doesn't add up for the capacity looking at recent NFL stadiums.

The parade could include the actual moving vans taking the team out of town.

So $1.9B / (65,000 people per game x 8 games/yr x 30 year stadium life) = $120.80 per ass that sits in a stadium seat for a regular season game (assuming they sellout every game)

The name should be The Las Vegas Vig.

I remember back in the day you couldn't bet on UNLV games. Maybe only their home games? Does anything like that still exist in Nevada / Las Vegas?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la...327-story.html

First super bowl in LV is gonna be great. All the players will blow their rolls on the craps tables in the week leading up to the game, so everyone will be super motivated to earn bonuses in the big game.

The Las Vegas hockey team got a thread so why not this? lol you. Are you the thread police?

As a neutral fan of the NFL and lover of Vegas, I love this move. Makes me wanna visit Vegas again when all these new teams start. I'm sure it'll be good for the city.