I don't think the cop saying this to an attorney is bad at all. If anything, it sounds like he's letting the lawyer know the other side will make the victim look bad. Basically, "If you are going to do this, make sure she can handle the questioning otherwise don't bother."

Victims of rape and domestic violence recanting their initial allegations (regardless of their validity) or subsequently choosing not to press charges (though it's not really their decision) is unfortunately not uncommon. I can see the detective saying that without having any intent to actually dissuade her from going forward but still he shouldn't have said it in the first place.

Of course it's true. This happens to some degree at every school with a major football/basketball program. It's a joke.

lol, you are waaayyyyyyyyyyyy off

good job, good effort

I wish more polygraph tests between the accuser and the accused would be more widely used and admissible in court over situations like this.


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the girl at ND was not raped. she alleged that her breasts were touched without consent while she was making out with a player.

your screen name wouldn't happen to be a reference to the golden dome, would it?

lol maulaga

Apparently it is still illegal for a black man to have sex with a white women in America.
Things arent any different than how they were in Jack Johnson's day. Yea the white man will vote for a black guy (cornball) and he will cheer the black man if he does good at sport. But he will be quick put some bull**** on the black man if he starts messin around with the white women. SMDH

Yep, that's definitely what this was about.

Uh huh. You guys *are* aware the detective also allegedly declined to attempt to contact Winston or his roomate (said to witness the assault by her attorney) because doing so would "tip Winston off", right? Also, that he did nothing at all with the investigation?

Kinda reminds me of the time George Wallace had the dogs and hoses turned onto peaceful marchers because he was protecting them from the brutal treatment they were about to receive. "Look, lady, you may not want to press rape charges against a football players in this town--there's lots of municipal workers here who can make your life quite unpleasant if they put their minds to it, if you know what I mean."

I realty don't have a problem with coaches making sure their players eat right. Fat and strong is how you win. I've heard some horror stories about how malnourished some of the kids coming into big SEC programs from tiny ass underfunded schools in the southeast have been. That specific complaint can **** off a lot.

I'm saying I don't think it's out of line for a cop to give a lawyer a heads up and say "Listen, think of what's going to happen to the victim if this becomes public."

It has nothing to do w/ this specific case. It has to do with cops and lawyers talking in general.

[QUOTE=domer2;41109401]the girl at ND was not raped. she alleged that her breasts were touched without consent while she was making out with a player.[/QUOTE
She was sexually assaulted, not raped;my bad.

Since you seem to be on top of the situation, I find it curious that you failed to mention her case was the impetus for a DOE investigation into institutional cover up of sexual assaults perpetrated by ND athletes. The investigation resulted in ND settling with the victims.

I don't want to single out ND here as there is plenty of blame to go around, but the fact an institution would knowingly put a game ahead of the welfare of their students is despicable. But, here we are. As I said earlier it's not like this latest incident is an original story.

It obviously is out of line when coupled with the odd avoidance of the suspect and witness plus sitting on the case for such a long time. No, I don't think that is a conversation a cop needs to be having with a lawyer--basically I do not think cops should be in the "talking women out of filing rape charges because someone is a sports figure" business.

Is it ethically moral? No, probably not. But cops and lawyers do talk. Maybe these guys were friendly and cop said it thinking he's helping out. We'll see what happens.

What level assburgers do you have? At least like 45 from this sort of post. Recruits are not "famous" except among a small group of whacked out nerds.

pvn- I'm not sure what your point is with this line of argument. Yes, the student body at large is generally not poring over the two deep each week. But at the same time, some people know who the up and comers are. And those are exactly the sort of cares-too-much nerds/superfans/boosters who are likely to try to make life difficult for the accusers in situations like this.

And had this investigation become public at the time, the news coverage of it would clue people in to Winston's profile. It wouldn't be "Redshirting nobody accused of rape", it'd be "Five star heir apparent accused of rape".

I think his point is "Once I've made a statement I dig into my defense of it whether or not it makes any sense."

Yeah because casual fans never heard of Andrew Wiggins before he played at Kansas. Are you really this clueless? Pitt football recruits are somewhat known to casual fans around here. What do you think it's like as the incoming QB for a top 5 powerhouse that has a long history of being great? Lol pvn

pvn doubling down on wrong is almost as sure a bet as insular town college football cover ups.

Made the mistake of listening to some sports talk radio last night. The low point was when they drug out some female rape victim that also happened to be a huge FSU fan. So much victim blaming. I almost choked on vomit. Like I'm not a Jezebell reader or anything but god damn men are the worst

Tom Wolfe already wrote this book iirc

you guys remember when the whole country took the "victim's" side against 3 guys who were innocent as the media simultaneously started a race war? Meanwhile, the school shut down an entire sports program for the season and expelled innocent kids from college as they spent hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in legal fees with no hope of salvaging their names even though all the allegations were completely false. Yea, that's the other side of what can happen in spots like this. Maybe he is a completely terrible person who forcibly raped her or maybe she is just looking to bring down a program or make a name for herself. Its likely that only her and Jameis know the truth.