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diddy! · 06-13-2012, 05:03 PM

Sry man, wish I could change my vote but thought I'd add a screencap for f'n up my vote. I think the attempt has begun, and he is still established with a foot inside the 3pt line, making this a 1 or 2 pointer IMO.

BJLTNYK · 06-13-2012, 05:11 PM

yeah its a 1/2...he gets lift pushing off the front foot

Jake (The Snake) · 06-13-2012, 05:21 PM

Haha, great question. I've watched/played thousands of hours of basketball and I've never seen this come up.

I think it's a 3/2. I don't think the "shooting motion" part is relevant.

Assani Fisher · 06-13-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by diddyeinstein

Sry man, wish I could change my vote but thought I'd add a screencap for f'n up my vote. I think the attempt has begun, and he is still established with a foot inside the 3pt line, making this a 1 or 2 pointer IMO.

I'm not sure how to post screencaps. I obviously agree with you, but for the sake of fairness can you post a screencap from about half a second after this when his front foot is elevated and the ball is still in his hands?

TheDean1 · 06-13-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by awval999

Section XI-Field Goal Attempt
A field goal attempt is a player's attempt to shoot the ball into his basket for a field goal. The act of shooting starts when, in the official's judgment, the player has started his shooting motion and continues until the shooting motion ceases and he returns to a normal floor position. It is not essential that the ball leave the shooter's hand. His arm(s) might be held so that he cannot actually make an attempt. The term is also used to include the flight of the ball until it becomes dead or is touched by a player. A tap during a jump ball or rebound is not considered a field goal attempt. However, anytime a live ball is in flight from the playing court, the goal, if made, shall count, even if time expires or the official's whistle sounds. The field goal will not be scored if time on the game clock expires before the ball leaves the player's hand.

ok well then, coachspoisright.jpg

pls change my vote to a 1/2 and tell aejones to ship monies imo

Assani Fisher · 06-13-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by diddyeinstein

wish I could change my vote

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Originally Posted by TheDean1

pls change my vote to a 1/2 and tell aejones to ship monies imo

I'm not sure what the fairest way is to handle people who vote one way and then change their minds.....hopefully the vote won't be super close either way so it won't matter.

Dudd · 06-13-2012, 05:35 PM

Clearly begins his shooting motion with the front foot over the line, 1/2 imo

TheDean1 · 06-13-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

I'm not sure what the fairest way is to handle people who vote one way and then change their minds.....hopefully the vote won't be super close either way so it won't matter.

1/2 should run away with it if like half of the people who vote skim the thread before voting.

SMIGLET · 06-13-2012, 05:52 PM

lol at anyone thinking thats a 3

seems exactly like NFL situation where a player goes out of bounds and has to re-establish both feet back in bounds. At no point has the right foot been re-established behind the arc; so when his right foot goes up, it doesnt matter that the left is behind it, his possession of the ball at that point is still inside the arc

if it really was a 3, you would see more enough of the same in NBA games to know it was

Assani Fisher · 06-13-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

I'm not sure how to post screencaps. I obviously agree with you, but for the sake of fairness can you post a screencap from about half a second after this when his front foot is elevated and the ball is still in his hands?

Nevermind I googled it and figured out how. I couldn't figure out how to screencap just one of my monitors, but at least you can see it on the left side:

Assani Fisher · 06-13-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SMIGLET

lol at anyone thinking thats a 3

seems exactly like NFL situation where a player goes out of bounds and has to re-establish both feet back in bounds. At no point has the right foot been re-established behind the arc; so when his right foot goes up, it doesnt matter that the left is behind it, his possession of the ball at that point is still inside the arc

if it really was a 3, you would see more enough of the same in NBA games to know it was

Would you rule this a 2 or 3 pointer then?

Offensive player is in the paint near the basket. He picks one foot up and hops on just one foot for the rest of the play. He hops outside the 3 point line, catches the ball, shoots it and makes it.

mcb33f · 06-13-2012, 06:18 PM

the "attempt has begun" argument isn't valid imo, this could easily be a shot fake as he's just using his pivot. i don't see a reason not to give 3 for this

CPHoya · 06-13-2012, 06:19 PM

That's a 1/2, lifting of the foot is part of the shooting motion, end of story, not close.

/pretty sure

D104 · 06-13-2012, 06:22 PM

I'm surprised it's as close as it is. That's a 1/2.

Assani Fisher · 06-13-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

That's a 1/2, lifting of the foot is part of the shooting motion, end of story, not close.

/pretty sure

I came into this thread agreeing with you, but this post is interesting:

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Originally Posted by mcb33f

the "attempt has begun" argument isn't valid imo, this could easily be a shot fake as he's just using his pivot. i don't see a reason not to give 3 for this

If we want to say that the lifting of the foot is part of the shooting motion, then what do we call it when he does the exact same thing but pump fakes(perhaps multiple pump fakes) but then shoots before putting his forward foot back down? What about if he does put his front foot back down(this time outside the line) and then shoots? Clearly the latter would be a 3 pointer. I'm not sure on the former. Most importantly though, what I'm getting at is that its hard to call something "part of the shooting motion" when its still possible for him to not shoot the ball at that point and just pump fake.

As you guys can tell by me arguing against my own side, I'm definitely more interested in the random debate that comes with this than winning the bet.