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Rafa is the GOAT, butnahhhhh or maybe?

View Poll Results: Who will end up as the GOAT

Roger Federer

374 68.12%

Rafa Nadal

96 17.49%

Novak Djokovic

62 11.29%

Andy Murray

6 1.09%

Pete Sampras

2 0.36%

Roy Emerson

0 0%

Bjorn Borg

2 0.36%

Roder Laver

2 0.36%

John McEnroe

3 0.55%

Bill Tilden

2 0.36%

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06-30-2011 , 03:15 PM

#376

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Del Potro pre injury and focused was scary good, way better than like a prime Lleyton Hewitt

This is why you cannot be taken seriously in this discussion because you have no clue what you are even talking about.

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06-30-2011 , 03:15 PM

#377

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Do you realise just how much better Federer was than everyone else around that time? It's like you seem to think Roddick and co gave him trouble on court. He was the best tennis player on the planet by a distance that we will likely never see again. Not because everyone else was terrible (like you seem to think) but because he was simply playing out of this world tennis.

So the fact that not a single player could give him trouble is supposed to somehow discredit the argument that his competition was a joke? What a bizarro day around here.

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06-30-2011 , 03:16 PM

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Nadal's clay court competition was just as bad if not significantly worse than Federers overall competition. Where he has won 60% of his slams. How do the Nadal crowd respond to this? Still waiting.

nadal had to beat peak fed in every french he won from 05-08

fed hasn't had to play anyone as good as himself since nadal peaked, and its not like he won any of those matches

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06-30-2011 , 03:16 PM

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So the fact that not a single player could give him trouble is supposed to somehow discredit the argument that his competition was a joke? What a bizarro day around here.

Nadal was the #2 player for 3 of the 4 Federer peak years. Do you know this fact or just wilfully ignoring it and mentioning players like Blake?

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06-30-2011 , 03:17 PM

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Im seriously beginning to think you didn't watch Federer during those years or follow Tennis at all.

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06-30-2011 , 03:18 PM

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Murray has 5* grandslams then?

lol @ Murray winning anything

historically low WIM

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06-30-2011 , 03:19 PM

#382

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I wonder how many slams Borg would've won if he ever bothered playing at the Aussie....

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06-30-2011 , 03:19 PM

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Im seriously beginning to think you didn't watch Federer during those years or follow Tennis at all.

I probably watched about 10-20x more tennis back then then I did today because I used to play. I'm beginning to think you have no clue what you're talking about if you think Hewitt was better than Del Potro.

I've never denied Federer was absurdly dominant. I'm maintaining that it was a hilariously bad era of tennis and I'm supported by the fact that he stopped dominating like that as soon as today's better players showed up.

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06-30-2011 , 03:19 PM

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KB24 is an Andy Murray fan, enough said

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06-30-2011 , 03:19 PM

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lol @ Murray winning anything

historically low WIM

Well he has managed to beat Nadal twice in slam semis.

Joke must be on Nadal.

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06-30-2011 , 03:20 PM

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Yeah Murray is great at winning in the quarters and semis!

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06-30-2011 , 03:21 PM

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Where do you 'get' this feeling from?

Federer has 9 hard court slam titles. 6 grass court slam titles. Making it 15 on both. Nadal has 4 on both combined. Even if you look at their winning % on both surfaces during their respective peaks, it's not even close.

Federer was on a 41 match winning streak on grass! He won 5 straight US opens. 3 Aus opens in 4 years.

Wait wait wait. The competition is significantly harder now. Djoko, Murray, Soderling, Ferrer. They are all better than Fed's competition from 2005-2007

Spoiler:

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06-30-2011 , 03:21 PM

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KB24 is an Andy Murray fan, enough said

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Pretty sure KB24 is Federer's fat girlfriend

C-Viggity is a troll, enough said.

Bitchface,

#2 player during Federer's prime wasn't Hewitt or Roddick or Blake like you want to think. It was Nadal.

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06-30-2011 , 03:22 PM

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The competition is significantly harder now. Djoko, Murray, Soderling, Ferrer. They are all better than Fed's competition from 2005-2007

Agreed.

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06-30-2011 , 03:23 PM

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I've never denied Federer was absurdly dominant. I'm maintaining that it was a hilariously bad era of tennis and I'm supported by the fact that he stopped dominating like that as soon as today's better players showed up.

And he entered his late 20s.....

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06-30-2011 , 03:23 PM

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This thread will quiet down a little bit on Sunday

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06-30-2011 , 03:24 PM

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It was Nadal.

Wait, so he was #2 in the world when he was like 19 years old and then as soon as he got a little older started dominating? Interesting. That guy must be pretty good.

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06-30-2011 , 03:24 PM

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Hewitt back in 01/02 was the best player in the world. Del Potro had an amazing 2009 which culminated in him winning the US Open.

Del Potro being "way better" is a pretty lol statement that you seem to agree with.

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06-30-2011 , 03:24 PM

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****, post was dumb, point still stands 16 >> 10.

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06-30-2011 , 03:26 PM

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Wait, so he was #2 in the world when he was like 19 years old and then as soon as he got a little older started dominating? Interesting. That guy must be pretty good.

Nadal is actually one of my favorite athletes. He's a beast. Definitely an all time great and has the potential to be the GOAT. Yes, he was pretty damn good back then. He was a prodigy like Borg. All I'm arguing is that objectively speaking, Federer is still the GOAT.

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06-30-2011 , 03:26 PM

#396

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Post gif, concede argument.

Wasn't that what you said to me yesterday?

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06-30-2011 , 03:28 PM

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You mock this, but when evaluating modern NBAers, change Federer to Jordan, and 16 to 6, and you co-sign even though he was playing a team sport.

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06-30-2011 , 03:28 PM

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Wait, so he was #2 in the world when he was like 19 years old and then as soon as he got a little older started dominating? Interesting. That guy must be pretty good.

2 HC Majors in his 20s (in 10 tries)

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06-30-2011 , 03:28 PM

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And he entered his late 20s.....

Listen, here's the thing...

I'm gonna try to make this as easy to understand as possible so that anyone who actually wants to open their mind and discuss something can understand it.

Federer was ungodly dominant at age 24. Players are really not all that different at 24 than they are at 26. At 26, Federer was already worse than a 22-year-old Nadal.

So what happened that Federer went from tennis god to debatable #1 in the world?

You either have to argue that he got a lot worse, or the competition got a lot better. The conversation will go nowhere until this question is answered to satisfaction.