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Old 06-28-2012, 01:54 PM   #121
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Re: Euro 2012 SF #2: Germany vs Italy

Oezil needs to play center imo. Playing him on the wing is a "waste", but then Kroos isn't really good on the wing either....

Oh well, leaving for the game as well now.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:55 PM   #122
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Yeah Özil on the wing is most logical.
Playing our best player out of position seems suboptimal.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:56 PM   #123
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Re: Euro 2012 SF #2: Germany vs Italy

Definitely feels like Löw is resting players again...... Müller - Klose - Reus vs Spain?
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:58 PM   #124
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Re: Euro 2012 SF #2: Germany vs Italy

Well, Kroos inclusion kind of forces it. If it's best or not who knows, but it's what most likely will happen.

He doesn't really play it much like a winger anyway (Özil) and will go inside all the time I think and look much like normal Ôzil. Maybe it's all to deal with hopefully outplay all the Italian central midfielders outnumbering the normal German lineup like ZM talks about in his preview.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:03 PM   #125
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Well, Kroos inclusion kind of forces it. If it's best or not who knows, but it's what most likely will happen.

He doesn't really play it much like a winger anyway (Özil) and will go inside all the time I think and look much like normal Ôzil. Maybe it's all to deal with hopefully outplay all the Italian central midfielders outnumbering the normal German lineup like ZM talks about in his preview.
Hm Özil playing on Pirlo when Italy has the ball and drifting to the right when we have the ball could be interesting. Or not necessarily Pirlo, but coming inside to even up numbers and trying to draw one of their midfielders to the side.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:08 PM   #126
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This has all the makings of a cracker. Don't expect Italy to sit back, fully expect them to take the game to the Germans, well at least try too anyway. Haven't been convinced with the Cassano/Balotelli combination but don't see Prandelli changing it. Portugal were really the only side that I saw trouble Germany and that was only when they had to chase the game, I thought they exposed some weaknesses in the German defence. Will be interesting to see how Italy go about trying to do the same.

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How will Italy's diamond manage to cope with both Lahm and Reus/Podolsky down their right side? Balotelli/Cassano won't track back, so that leaves Marchisio moving out wide. But won't this expose Pirlo to Özil's movement? Unless Italy sit back and just stay compact, of course.
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/06/...italy-preview/ Thorough preview that I think covers it all really, though maybe a little bit too optimistic between the lines of the Italian level of play.

The width covering of Italian 4-3-1-2 and space opening up is the eternal issue against the 4-2-3-1 that so many sides play now including the top ones in the Champions League, and why generally I'm always skeptical about it right on the verge of calling it dated.
No matter what almost it will be vulnerable and it will have to compensate in other ways. With Prandelli's version and the players he has (remember Pirlo has crucially been missing internationally with injuries pretty much since 06) there is at least the skill potential of it having really good possession removing pressure and creating.

I also think Italy will be pressed back quite a lot but hopefully not too much.

They will still try to build from the back though (passing over kicking) and maintain a high line making things very tight central, really challenging players to come up with the goods (both teams). Especially now that the Germany lineup now also feature more players with their strengths operating central.

Italy's best chance will be try to find space behind the German high line better than Germany will behind the Italian. Not completely unlikely even if the Italian strikers are not ideal. I'm not sure I've ever seen Balzaretti on the right, but his pace will have to be a weapon nonetheless.

But I can easily see Germany winning the midfield battle, win possession, and quickly punishing the Italian team on their heels, finding enough space to be really dangerous through that (and win).

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Old 06-28-2012, 02:10 PM   #127
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Re: Euro 2012 SF #2: Germany vs Italy

Germany: 5
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:13 PM   #128
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Re: Euro 2012 SF #2: Germany vs Italy

first germany match im watching sober in this competition, feels weird
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:21 PM   #129
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Re: Euro 2012 SF #2: Germany vs Italy

Mario will score.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:39 PM   #130
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There are two—I see wudt
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:40 PM   #131
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Re: Euro 2012 SF #2: Germany vs Italy

germany in penalties
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:43 PM   #132
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Re: Euro 2012 SF #2: Germany vs Italy

I'm getting excited.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:45 PM   #133
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Gomez is the big favourite to win it even if he doesn't play any more minutes. First tiebreaker is assists so he is leading right now (he has 1). Torres and Cesc have 2 goals and 0 assists and would therefore need 2 goals or 1 goal and 1 assist in the final to get him. No Italian player has more than 1 goal.
i need him to get another goal to be top scorer otherwise the odds will be cut x3 as it stands, Gomez getting the golden boot award won't help me.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:46 PM   #134
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i need him to get another goal to be top scorer otherwise the odds will be cut x3 as it stands, Gomez getting the golden boot award won't help me.
Well I certainly wouldn't mind if he scores today
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:47 PM   #135
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Kroos on the right!
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