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11-10-2010 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cpitt398
I was pausing it and reading the articles they were showing on the screen and it said he had another hamstring injury and also a staff infection in his big toe
Jesus, infected by the entire staff? No wonder it caused him such trouble.
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11-10-2010 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
That is just going to be way too depressing.
I dunno. We're in the "no such thing as bad publicity" age and I suspect Bartman cashed in fairly well on his infamy, or at the very least had the opportunity to do so. He just needs to avoid drunk idiots in bars and he'll be fine, which really isn't that hard to do.

Reminds me of how a year or so after the fact ESPN was trying to put together some piece where a guy basically stalked Bartman, waiting in his office parking garage or something in the hopes of making a story of the whole escapade. Not sure if he ever got an interview with Bartman and the whole thing was way creepier / stalkerish / lame than it was entertaining.
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11-10-2010 , 03:12 PM
I don't think he's cashed in at all. From what I've heard, he still lives in Chicago but hardly ever goes out in public. Plus there's the whole Cubs losing depressing aspect of it. Basically a lose - lose unless you're a Marlins fan.
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11-10-2010 , 03:39 PM
What sucks is that it happened against the Marlins, you piss off an entire fanbase but can't even gain the love of another fanbase because it doesn't exist
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11-10-2010 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tuq
I dunno. We're in the "no such thing as bad publicity" age and I suspect Bartman cashed in fairly well on his infamy, or at the very least had the opportunity to do so.
this is usually true but this seems like an exception to the rule. fair or not hes a symbol of futility for a team that doesnt have a ws title in 100 yrs, pretty unfairly brutal to him tbh.

i really liked the dupree documentary, it was about so much more than football. it was really interesting to see the outside influences including friends and family. It seemed like he didnt have that many great influences in his life, his family and friends for the most part were portrayed as wanting him to play for money so they could suck his bank account dry.
also someone mentioned earlier that he seemed kinda thin skinned coming from a small town in mississippi and then in the real world but you could tell he had a big heart, which is how so many people toke advantage of him.

also, one person mentioned the coaching in terms of dealing with injuries. With our awareness of injuries and especially concussions these days i think a lot of things would have been handled differently. There were a lot of plays were his foot and were caused him to limp near the end of runs and had him running at like 60%, the sick thing is that was still enough to put up the production he had. one thing i noticed to in regards to this is when he got a concussion on his final play with oaklahoma no one comes to his aid really after the ht and he has to go on his own to the sideline and barely make it. Its interesting the change of culture thats taken place for head to head hits.

it was also interesting of the phycology aspect, the director mentioned it as well thats its pretty cool and unique to see how someones dealed for so many years with falling disastterously short of his potential.

The other shocking and awesome parts of the documentary was just how much of a freak he was athletically. my roomate used to play DE for the gophers, and eventhough they suck hes about the size of dupree but can run only a 4.8 at best (or used 2). The fact that at his size, dupree could run a 4.2 is just insane. also coming back and making it into the nfl after not playing for 5 years is unheard of.

the one thing i wondered is why he didnt take another shot with another team in the nfl because they said he was the leading rusher on his team in preseason, you would think at least one team would give him a tryout given i think he was 28 years old at the time.
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11-10-2010 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
the one thing i wondered is why he didnt take another shot with another team in the nfl because they said he was the leading rusher on his team in preseason, you would think at least one team would give him a tryout given i think he was 28 years old at the time.
If you look at his wiki, the two years he played with the Rams were plagued with injury and not very productive.

I'm guessing he was third string or whatever. I would think at that point teams would rather gamble on a youngster that might end up improving rather than someone that is injury prone and past his prime.

Seems like Marcus was also fine about calling it quits realizing his achieved his goal and knew that much else wasn't really realistic.
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11-10-2010 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
There's no way this story is good enough to fill two full hours. Talented, coddled high school stars are immature and running backs get injured, we're not exactly breaking new ground here. You could make this exact same documentary about tons of guys, Lawrence Phillips and Maurice Clarret just off the top of my head would work with some bonus crimes tossed in
I agree with whoever said there is no comparison between Dupree and those clowns. I thought this film was an excellent case study of what can happen when an extremely talented teenager with the potential of a huge future has adult influences in his life who may not be inherently evil but who are possessed by a sense of entitlement and understandable greed. Combine that with the nature of college athletics providing very different incentives for everyone involved and it makes for a compelling story.

What I found most interesting is that despite those influences, Dupree seems to have wound up with a decent of values and a lack of bitterness and anger. He seems to have accepted responsibility for some of his bad decisions despite being influenced by "friends" and relatives.

Having said that, I do think they could have trimmed 15-30 minutes from this film without losing much.
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11-10-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
this is usually true but this seems like an exception to the rule. fair or not hes a symbol of futility for a team that doesnt have a ws title in 100 yrs, pretty unfairly brutal to him tbh.

i really liked the dupree documentary, it was about so much more than football. it was really interesting to see the outside influences including friends and family. It seemed like he didnt have that many great influences in his life, his family and friends for the most part were portrayed as wanting him to play for money so they could suck his bank account dry.
also someone mentioned earlier that he seemed kinda thin skinned coming from a small town in mississippi and then in the real world but you could tell he had a big heart, which is how so many people toke advantage of him.

also, one person mentioned the coaching in terms of dealing with injuries. With our awareness of injuries and especially concussions these days i think a lot of things would have been handled differently. There were a lot of plays were his foot and were caused him to limp near the end of runs and had him running at like 60%, the sick thing is that was still enough to put up the production he had. one thing i noticed to in regards to this is when he got a concussion on his final play with oaklahoma no one comes to his aid really after the ht and he has to go on his own to the sideline and barely make it. Its interesting the change of culture thats taken place for head to head hits.

it was also interesting of the phycology aspect, the director mentioned it as well thats its pretty cool and unique to see how someones dealed for so many years with falling disastterously short of his potential.

The other shocking and awesome parts of the documentary was just how much of a freak he was athletically. my roomate used to play DE for the gophers, and eventhough they suck hes about the size of dupree but can run only a 4.8 at best (or used 2). The fact that at his size, dupree could run a 4.2 is just insane. also coming back and making it into the nfl after not playing for 5 years is unheard of.

the one thing i wondered is why he didnt take another shot with another team in the nfl because they said he was the leading rusher on his team in preseason, you would think at least one team would give him a tryout given i think he was 28 years old at the time.
28 is pretty old for a running back and the team leader in rushing gets cut all the time because they are saving the backs for the regular season.
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11-11-2010 , 12:53 AM
Why hasn't MT2R posted itt demanding OU vacate their wins from the 1982 seaon?
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11-11-2010 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by VincentVega
I think switzer was being nice
I don't think so. Switzer's book, which is about 15 years old, says the exact same type of stuff about Marcus Dupree
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11-11-2010 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pudge714
Why hasn't MT2R posted itt demanding OU vacate their wins from the 1982 seaon?
Schools only get blamed if they win big. Have you heard much about the scandalous Kansas State?
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11-11-2010 , 09:57 AM
Reminds me of an old SE thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/46...cimens-471491/

Dupree is mentioned in there. However, I think Obea Moore from that thread would have been a much more interesting story.
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11-11-2010 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cpitt398
If you look at his wiki, the two years he played with the Rams were plagued with injury and not very productive.

I'm guessing he was third string or whatever. I would think at that point teams would rather gamble on a youngster that might end up improving rather than someone that is injury prone and past his prime.

Seems like Marcus was also fine about calling it quits realizing his achieved his goal and knew that much else wasn't really realistic.
good points, did anyone raise an eyebrow when he said he lost 100 pounds in 3 months? seems like an exageration.
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11-11-2010 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
good points, did anyone raise an eyebrow when he said he lost 100 pounds in 3 months? seems like an exageration.
If he was doing what he said he was doing in that shed with that heat and conditions then yeah I believe it. I guess it could be a slight exaggeration but I dunno through out the film Dupree just seemed really humble and believeable to me. I think he shot straight through the whole thing.
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11-11-2010 , 04:21 PM
Biggest surprise of this thread: Switzer has a book.
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11-11-2010 , 06:19 PM
Everything by a celebrity not named Mick Foley is ghost written. Or so says the Mick.
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11-11-2010 , 06:38 PM
Man, I haven't watched many since The Two Escobars. Even stopped dvr'n them because they took up too much space. Pretty dumb move since I really enjoy the series, but such is life.

Watching Dupree now. Any that are must see from over the summer that I should get a hold of?
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11-11-2010 , 07:51 PM
Chise,
Birth of Big Air is surprisingly good
Jordan Rides the Bus was okay.
Seems like a lot of people liked Into the Wind, but I have heard the story so many times (LOL CANADA) I didn't watch the 30 for 30.
I thought House of Steinbrenner sucked, but you might like it as a Yankees fan.
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11-11-2010 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
good points, did anyone raise an eyebrow when he said he lost 100 pounds in 3 months? seems like an exageration.
I lost 100 pounds in 100 days during the summer between my soph and junior years of college. Losing a pound a day is not that hard if you workout a ton and eat nothing but tuna/chicken.
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11-11-2010 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
I lost 100 pounds in 100 days during the summer between my soph and junior years of college. Losing a pound a day is not that hard if you workout a ton and eat nothing but tuna/chicken.
that's exactly why it is hard though
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11-11-2010 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Biggest surprise of this thread: Switzer has read a book.
too easy?
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11-11-2010 , 08:21 PM
F60,

I thought the one with Chris Evert and Navritolova (sp?) was pretty good, really liked Once Brothers.
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11-11-2010 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by natediggity
that's exactly why it is hard though
Right, but if my fat ass who was motivated solely because I wanted to bang chicks in college could lose it, I'm sure a world class athlete who had millions of dollars worth of motivation could do it.

Plus him being a worth class athlete I'm sure would make working out slightly easier.
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11-11-2010 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
I lost 100 pounds in 100 days during the summer between my soph and junior years of college. Losing a pound a day is not that hard if you workout a ton and eat nothing but tuna/chicken.
is that healthy?
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11-11-2010 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
F60,

I thought the one with Chris Evert and Navritolova (sp?) was pretty good
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