I thought the short on the T-206 Honus Wagner was interesting. I had no clue about the federal charges against Mastro.

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So I'm confused.

If John Elway played minor league baseball in 1982, and got paid for it, how did he then play QB in 1982 at Stanford and get drafted in 1983?

Damn, I guess I didn't make the connection that you could get paid to play another sport and keep college eligibility.

Failure by me. Carry on.

Thought Elway to Marino was great. Loved how Rozell slow-rolled Jets fans. "The New York Jets select...........Kenny O'Brien. "

I thought this was really not that interesting. A little new info there, but nothing ground breaking or particularly interesting. I guess I just already basically knew that story.

This was just all right.

Pretty amazing how if Elway flops in the NFL he goes down as some whiny little punk kid from California who wanted to dictate his own terms instead of taking the experience given to him.

Rozelle def screwed over Al Davis in his proposed deal with the Bears.

Somewhat interesting to me because I don't know the ins and outs of everything that happened and it was interesting to learn about all the power plays and deals being made with the USFL complicating everything. But they somehow made it much more boring than it should have been

oh and lol jets

While not Elway, Marino or Kelly, Ken O'Brien was an above average QB and put up some decent career numbers. He certainly wasn't a Blackledge-like bust.

I was kind of disappointed they didn't mention that the public at large had seen much more of Marino and Blackledge than any of the other top QB's. It was pre-internet, pre-cable for college football, and Pitt and Penn St were on TV way more than Stanford or any of the other schools the others played for. Stanford never made a bowl with Elway while Marino and Blackledge were in major bowls every year I think. Marino won about 40 games in his career I think and Pitt finished as a top ten team every year if I recall.

I was barely a teenager, living in the south, but I had still seen plenty of Marino and he was obviously elite. I never saw Elway play on TV in his college career.

Marino and Elway were by far the two biggest name QB's. All the experts thought Elway was the greatest prospect ever while the public had seen Marino quite a bit. Blackledge was on TV a lot but when compared to what Marino looked like he was very ordinary despite playing well in college.

I couldn't believe Marino dropped past #2 in the draft. Honestly since I hadn't seen Elway play I was convinced Marino should have gone #1.

It's crazy that the Steelers could have basically had Bradshaw/Marino and Patriots had Elway/Brady for 25 years if things went right.

Well the Bills had Kelly/Loseman

Probably my least favorite episode so far

What if the Colts owner hadn't completely bungled the Elway deal and they actually got something similar to the 3 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders they wanted for Elway? They claimed they were gonna draft Marino if they couldn't sign Elway and in addition they get 4 other high draft picks.

How'd Marino go from 37 TDs his junior season to 17 TDs his senior season. That seems pretty bizarre for someone who was healthy both years. Did Pitt basically lose the whole supporting cast on offense?

Just watching From Elway to Marino and good lord Rozell was the GOAT at trolling fans. Had a ****-eating grin on his face the whole time too. Just amazing.

Thought Elway to Marino was okay. Nothing real compelling about it, but it was cool to get the entire story as I only knew parts of it and hadn't made it to the 1983 NFL Draft Wikipedia page yet.

Late to the party, but Survive and Advance goes into my top 3 for sure. First off the run they make is so incredible. Had no idea before I watched it that they had to win their conference tourney to even get into the tourney. Also had no idea how close most of the games were. Also pretty incredible to go through all that Hall of Fame talent to win it.

All that and I haven't even mentioned the Jimmy V stuff. Loved when they used the footage of him doing tha speaking gig - whenever or whatever that was. His words were just so powerful. Got chills when he says the bit about ordinary people doing extraordinary things every day. Really moved me.

Also the part where the assistant coach can't even talk about V's pre championship game speech really got me.

This is exactly how I remember it too.

I had watched Marino play on TV lots. I was 11 years old living in Florida at the time. I thought Marino was the best QB I had ever seen play. I was so happy when Miami drafted him. The next year I moved to Denver and became a huge Elway fan.

I think the Chiefs organization still has PTSD from Blackledge. Haven't drafted a QB in the first-round since.

'Quarterback.........Ken O'Brien' was an amazing slowroll.

Yeah, my childhood memories of O'Brien was that he was a solid qb with crap support from his oline? Who else can you remember from that era? Freeman McNeil maybe.

When I was a kid it was Kenny O for me, Richard Todd was just a bit before me. You also had Johnny Hector, Al Toon, Dennis Byrd, Wesley Walker, Mark Gastineau, etc.

Anyway I liked the film for what it was, not the best but solid. One of my cousins who is about 10 years younger than me (mid 20s) or so saw that and was like "wow I never realized that Elway was such a dick back in the day". That made me lol for a bit but then I was like really...I always thought he came off like a douche, even when he was winning Super Bowls.

There was one story though back in his Yankee days I thought they would go into. Basically it was the first time he went into Yankee stadium there was a story that the coaches had him stand at home facing right field...someone hands him a baseball and basically says how far can you throw it...first throw the ball lands in the 4th row just over the 314' sign...wow.

Bo Jackson confirmed best arm ever in the NFL.

I don't think throwing a baseball 314' is that impressive. I guess if he hadn't warmed up. I'd guess >50% of MLB could throw the ball over the fence from home plate of Yankee Stadium.