great, no... but better than some title winning ones, sure. Would Spurs fans say their 2007/08 was better than 16/17?

From personal experience, as a Schalke fan I'd definetly say that our 2011/12 season (3rd in league, EL QF, early cup exit) was better than our 2010/11 (14th in league, CL semi, cup winners). Even though 10/11 had more stuff you can point to after the fact, I enjoyed 11/12 way more because that team was really good and fun while the 10/11 team was terrible and boring.

as usual baids nails it

1) Manchester United - Premier League Champions, Champs League Qual
2) Swansea City - League Cup Winners, Europa League Qual
3) Manchester City - Champs League Qual
4) Arsenal - Champs League Qual
5) Spurs - Champs League Qual
6) Wigan - FA Cup winners, Europa League Qual, Relegation

12-13 and 10-11 are the only two seasons where major trophy winners end up below European Qualifiers due to relegation.

I would still argue that Wigan shouldn't give the FA Cup back in order to return to finishing 16th every season in the Prem.

Can't disagree with jeccross, Liverpool's 2013-2014 season was definitely enjoyable

Off topic, but why were you so so bad in the 10/11 Champs Semis? Fergie picked a reserve team to play you. It's the only relaxing CL semi we've ever had, didn't even know it was possible to have a relaxing CL semi.

I'd rather have finished third or fourth and won a trophy or 2 (not sure about 6th). Finishing above Arsenal was fun, and being able to confidently notice improvement in your young squad year over year for 3 years, and figuring they'll continue to get better is a fun fan watching experience, for like the whole season. Champs League failure was pretty much forgiven by the end of the season when it became clear we were gonna make it again. The FA Cup beat did indeed hurt a lot. But our squad is stable and extremely fun to watch. Who ****ing cares who had a better season between Spurs and United? Almost all spurs fans had fun last season, most United fans I'm sure did too (at least in Cup matches). GL this season, hopefully we run train on your asses again .

Also lol at anyone remembering Rooney scored the last goal at WHL we won the damn game with our hometown hero also scoring.

I can enjoy this on multiple different levels now.

Lol at you all trotting out the videos from 3 years ago. Nice distraction from the main point though.

I guess my point is that you can think United had a better season last year than spurs, but if you think they were a better team, lol you

I will never ever ever argue that 2nd with no trophies is somehow better than the League Cup.

Everton finished 15th FFS and had a better season than us in 94-95, because they won the FA Cup and we won nothing.

This hometown hero?

Sorry.

i agree that relegation + fa cup >> 17th place + losing finalist but its different cos we can probably expect one trophy every 75 years (nearly ****ing retained the **** the following year tho, **** mertesacker)

btw swap fa cup with the mickey mouse and i think i'd rather stay in the prem

Well, as I said in the post, that team wasn't good at all. It was kind of a team in transition, after lots of bus parking in 09/10 to qualify for CL the club wanted to build a team that could play positive football, but they weren't there yet in 10/11. Young guys like Draxler and Matip were in their first (full) season. The 14th place league finish is more indicative of that team's quality than the cup win and CL run, we luckboxed hard in those competition and benefitted from the fact that we had a handful of players who were capable of having elite moments (Raul, Farfan, Huntelaar).

The 5-2 at the San Siro that got us into the semi is just the kind of event that happens once in a blue moon and you can't explain

*yawn*

And yet still none of them are as entertaining as Agueroooooo

Our very own version of rits back with a bang I see.

It's still tough though if you're a non-trophy winning team. My father in law is 75 and had NEVER seen Birmingham City win anything. He got to go to Wembley and see them win an actual trophy against the famous Arsenal football club, led by the great Arsene Wenger. There is no way he gives that moment back, jsut so they can finish 13th a few more times in the Prem before inevitable relegation at some point anyway.

It works relative to winning nothing. Of course the Mickey Mouse cup is not as good as the CL. But it's better than the **** All Cup.

Which is my entire point. If you're a top team, seasons aren't fun/memorable/happy if you don't win anything. You're lauding a season which rival clubs LOVE to laugh at you about. I will never laud 2011-12. And we were really good, close to the best runners-up ever, and certainly better than Spurs last season (lol). But it means nothing. We lost bro.

I might be making this up but was Neuer your keeper that season?

We came 7th the year before - we weren't a top team and yet we played possibly the best football ever in the league and scored over 100 goals. It was great fun. I'm clearly over any disappointment, given it was 3 years ago, which makes you posting the videos even funnier. But then I can see why you are living in the past (an ironic jibe from a Liverpool fan to a United one).

United didn't play **** football most of the season, only in some games and for some periods. It was actually the best football since Fergie at times and it will get better next season I am sure. It wasn't amazing at times it was even pure dirt. But even under Fergie it wasn't always Brazil '82. Mourinho ball gets bandied around by those who don't watch all the games. We are playing vastly superior both in quality and to watch football than we did under LVG. Yet we came 6th. There is progress there, but it isn't visible in the league position.

As I said way off the pace? Variance, changes in squads, changes in players moods whole complex host of things going on. The gap between 1st last year and 6th might have been 24 points, but check the gap in expectation for next season it's more like 3 points between those same teams. The team who came 6th are favoured over the team that came second for next season. This is a different footballing world than the 90's when there were at most 2 good teams in the league. You can't look at second and automatically think that's a title challenge next season. In fact you're more likely to fail to qualify for the CL and win **** all next season than win the league.

GL telling your grandkids about all those Premier League titles mate.

yep, his last season for us. Kept the score respectable in the semi first leg. Shouldve mentioned him but it seems I've made myself forget about him

Of course I would.

In fact JD has already done it in the thread. Check the 00/01 ratings...

Is that really Harry? Lol doesn't look like him much how do people find that ****?