News flash - you finished 24 points behind chelsea. There's teams above you that also had the same issue with teams lower down the table.

This is it. I dont doubt Spurs fans enjoyed watching their players perform like they have this season. Doesn't make it a better season that the one with trophies that qualified you for the very same competition.

While this is true to some extent, the whole discussion stemmed from ManU vs ManCity season.

ManU objectively had the more successful season out of the 2. Then the extreme examples came and now we here...

Of course we want to be continually challenging. But that is obvious. Spurs are hardly in some sort of stronger to do that position though are they? United are favourites to finish above them next season. OK we haven't been top 3 since Fergie left and that is a disgrace but this is something to build on. A season clearly superior to coming 2nd with no title challenge and no trophies. Chelsea have shown that you can come 10th then win the league the next season. Continually coming second doesn't mean suddenly the title will become yours. More likely you go the other way. We came 6th but looking to next season there isn't much of a gap between 1st and 6th expectations. This is a very different landscape than to before. 6th now isn't 6th in the 90's. Don't believe me? Look at the final table then look at the odds for next season's league title.

Would any fan take 2nd place next season over 6th + Europa League + League Cup? No? Didn't think so lol.

Meh what Cina says is true but I don't accept more trophies = better season as a blanket argument either. It's obviously subjective.

I'm a Liverpool fan and I would. It would be further progress. Being in the EL would just indicate a failure early in the CL.

Who was the Chelsea manager who took them to tenth? That doesn't worry you at all?

Good thing that United are the only team who are strengthening their squad.

And also as a Liverpool fan 2013/14 was epic for the enjoyment factor, some of those games were unforgettable. Far more memorable than 2015/16 would have been if we'd won the two finals we were in.

Well I can subjectively state that Arsenal had a better season than Chelsea based on my own standards, but that does not make it true though...

Same goes for City, United...Spurs, United and so on...

I do agree that there are many factors, nuances and so on, but you can have the best playing team around and not win anything...still not gonna be remembered as one of the great seasons is it?

It wouldn't necessarily be further progress though would it. Where did you come the year after 2nd in 2014? Won the league the next year right? Football doesn't work like building up slowly creeping up league positions until you win the league. It's not Football Manager. United, Chelsea, Leicester. From 1st to 7th, 10th, 12th. That's just in the last 5 years.

This enjoyment stuff, you know what's the most enjoyable thing in football? Winning. Maybe as a Pool fan you've forgotten that. When you are an old man you'll be telling your grandkids about nearly winning the league in 2014? Get the **** out of here.

Yes it is great to also play entertaining enjoyable football. But not at the expense of winning. You have to have both.

No way I'm reading thru this drivel again but could someone clearly indicate which posters are on what side?

You're on the losing side.

i reckon winning uber alles holds true for world cup, league title, CL.

telling chelseafan that their RdM CL year was no good cos they played like crap would be the height of lol

dont think it works for mickey mouse stuff tho unless you are ~wigan

It's happened recently in "just the last 5 years", but look at the 15 before that teams do generally finish pretty high the season before they won the league. I would consider it progress assuming we don't finish second on the basis of the performances of one outstanding player who then leaves, which is what happened in 2014.

Course you want both - but playing entertaining football and nearly winning gives me far more hope of achieving both than playing **** football and finishing way off the pace but winning a couple of second rate cups.

I don't even know the exact argument but I'm on the anti utd side on principle.

Gl tellinging your grandkids about winning two trophies that have prob been obsolete for 20 years Raz.

You actually look back on 13-14 with fondness? You're a maniac.

We were AMAZING in 11-12. One of the highest points totals ever. Crushed teams like Arsenal 8-2. Champagne football.

I can't even watch games from that season anymore after AGUERRRROOOOO.

How can you even contemplate enjoying 13-14, everytime you look back on dic*ing a team like Norwich, doesn't Demba Ba and Allardyce's faces pop up into your mind?? 94-95, I can't watch Andy Cole score 5 in the 9-0 record demolition of Ipswich without thinking of West Ham away on the final day (thanks Hoopie). If you don't win anything, it's all for naught.

Alarm bells should go off for you when I tell you that as a United fan, Liverpool 13-14 is one of my favourite title campaigns ever. Your downfall made the Moyes season bearable. I was genuinely chuffed the underwhelming Pellegrini managed to bag a title.

Exactly. IDGAF that Djimi Traore and Harry Kewell were in our champions league winning team, and we clung on at the Stadio delle alpi for a nil nil.

I couldn't tell you the score from when we won the league cup in 2012 though.

Please to be providing the rankings for 2012-13 season. Thanks in advance

Except we dicked on united. And Arsenal. And Spurs. Would've been great to have won the league, but the first 20 mins against arsenal was the most dominant period of football I've ever seen, we were 4-0 up and should have been seven.

This explains why you are happy that Mourinho is in charge of your club at least.

Well done, you win the (much-won) "Battered Wenger in a big match" trophy.

It must really make-up for the 27 years without winning the league.

My first thought seeing all the entertaining football > winning trophies

I'm hoping for a complete opposite season this year, spurs win the Europa, utd finish 2nd losing the chase with a couple of games to go and fans of both sides arguing for the other team. 'No YOU guys had the better season!'

That's why the argument is dumb. Does anyone think the likes of Raz and JD would argue the same way if it had been utd in spurs position and vice versa?

I probably look back that way about 13/14 because at the time I never felt like it was going to happen, so the blow wasn't as bad when it didn't. Didn't half enjoy the ride though. It's more fun than trying to trick yourself that everything's ok when it isn't.

They will argue that way if United win the LDV vans trophy. He listed their 3 community shields as trophies FFS. I should have known I could use beating Barca in a friendly as justification for Liverpool's season.